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I can confirm that the Black Dot unicode bug is not fixed in this beta. Just tested on my iPhone 8.
 
Please tell me this is the release without all the weird iOS 11 little bugs I encounter every week requiring me to do a re-start to get things working.

For example, yesterday the Photo Library settings screen displayed nothing and I had to re-start for the screen to appear, and couple times a week the phone just sits there for when I try to send a photo from Photo app to anything (email, messages) and again the fix is restarting the phone.

Please Apple get some polish back on your iOS, this 11 works but it's so lackluster in terms of day to day little issues appearing compared to prior releases.
 
Im experiencing a weird bug. i submitted feedback on but it hasn't been fixed. Wondering if anyone else is experiencing it. I have a group message all iPhones and when people press and hold on the message to do the thumbs up or down or haha etc i get the symbol but i also get a txt saying "... liked "the message" similar to what happens if someone is in a group with android changing it from an iMessage group to a mms group. I've tried deleting all the threads from my watch and phone and it still comes through on both. wondering if for some reason iMessage in the cloud is causing it
 
For anyone on the Beta, a question: Is the universal delete of Messages on iCloud an option that can be turned off or is it forced if you are using Messages on iCloud? I would love to have the download of messages to a clean-install device without having the synchronized deletion across devices, but my bet is that I am out of luck.
 
While I understand the wider beta program including the public betas, but I wonder if this is giving too much access to the OS for hackers or competitors to find exploits and hold them until release date to make Apple look bad. If the betas work as they should, any issue or exploits should have been found. What are the odds it shows up immediately following release?
 
While I understand the wider beta program including the public betas, but I wonder if this is giving too much access to the OS for hackers or competitors to find exploits and hold them until release date to make Apple look bad. If the betas work as they should, any issue or exploits should have been found. What are the odds it shows up immediately following release?

You underestimate the hackers. They all had full access to the betas before the public betas.
I'm not a developer or even a hacker and I've been running iOS developer betas since iOS 5. Haven't used a single public beta, nor have I missed a major release.
 
Can someone clarify for me something? I keep getting conflicting answers. Does iOS 11.4 Beta clean out Apple Watch Messages as well? I heard it only syncs across Mac (for its newest beta version), iPhone , iPad. However, the Watch is not included.

Thanks.

Don’t know about the Beta build of WatchOS but as it stands at the moment it only clears messages on Mac/iPhone/iPad.
 
You underestimate the hackers. They all had full access to the betas before the public betas.
I'm not a developer or even a hacker and I've been running iOS developer betas since iOS 5. Haven't used a single public beta, nor have I missed a major release.

You sir, deserve a cookie or pony
 
Shoot... only 1.5GB available on my iPhone 6 16GB, and the update needs 2.35GB. I would have to delete a bunch of apps to make space and redownload. Tried the iTunes route but since it’s beta, 11.4b5 doesn’t appear. Does anyone have any helpful suggestions? Or am I going to have to delete to high heaven?

I’m waiting on the iPhone SE2 to upgrade, so no, “time for a new phone” won’t be helpful. ;)
 
ClassKit sounds cool. I wish I were growing up today with notebooks and tablets with all of this new software. I still like the analog nature of pen and paper as well as chalk and a chalkboard, but kids today are having classroom experiences that we could only have dreamed about. School computer use when I was growing up was limited to playing the Oregon Trail on Apple IIe's and Carmen Sandiego and Flight Sim on a couple of early '90s Performas my school had. I remember installing all of the ID and 3D Realms shareware available on PCs in middle school. Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior, Blood, good times!
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Shoot... only 1.5GB available on my iPhone 6 16GB, and the update needs 2.35GB. I would have to delete a bunch of apps to make space and redownload. Tried the iTunes route but since it’s beta, 11.4b5 doesn’t appear. Does anyone have any helpful suggestions? Or am I going to have to delete to high heaven?

I’m waiting on the iPhone SE2 to upgrade, so no, “time for a new phone” won’t be helpful. ;)

I feel for you. 16 GB was enough back in the 3G days but not by 2014 and definitely not in 2018! My only current 16 GB device is my iPad Air. Even my ATV has more storage! I'm limited to only having some essential apps, photo stream and iTunes match to make room for the cool Swift Playgrounds which takes up the largest percentage of storage. I bought it for $300 sealed right before the iPad Air 2 was released. I couldn't pass up on that price even knowing that the lack of more storage would limit my enjoyment.
 
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ClassKit sounds cool. I wish I were growing up today with notebooks and tablets with all of this new software. I still like the analog nature of pen and paper as well as chalk and a chalkboard, but kids today are having classroom experiences that we could only have dreamed about. School computer use when I was growing up was limited to playing the Oregon Trail on Apple IIe's and Carmen Sandiego and Flight Sim on a couple of early '90s Performas my school had. I remember installing all of the ID and 3D Realms shareware available on PCs in middle school. Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior, Blood, good times!
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I feel for you. 16 GB was enough back in the 3G days but not by 2014 and definitely not in 2018! My only current 16 GB device is my iPad Air. Even my ATV has more storage! I'm limited to only having some essential apps, photo stream and iTunes match to make room for the cool Swift Playgrounds which takes up the largest percentage of storage. I bought it for $300 sealed right before the iPad Air 2 was released. I couldn't pass up on that price even knowing that the storage
Just like the old times. Good’ol fashion computer. Vintage. But just good.

I also start knowing more about 1980s computers and find they are indeed rough to use but also fun to use.
 
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Just like the old times. Good’ol fashion computer. Vintage. But just good.

I also start knowing more about 1980s computers and find they are indeed rough to use but also fun to use.

My first computer was an IBM clone with an orange monochrome screen. A hand my down from my cousin in '93. I learned how to use DOS and the command line with it. While I was limited to using Lotus 123 and some basic text editor, it helped me learn how filesystems work which was great before I got my first real PC, a Pentium 75Mhz, 8 MB RAM Windows '95 PC that cost about $1800 in '95.

I must say that while using them today would be really rough and a struggle, they were more exciting to me back then than the latest tech we have today. It's like going back to standard def video after being used to 720p, 1080p and now even 4K. I guess because it was all so new to me. Using AOL was really like magic! I was also mesmerized by stuff like MS Encarta and playing back MPEG 1 video on a computer screen. There was really no on demand content back then except for movies on VHS, cassettes and CDs and of course my own recorded tapes. But to see video and play music on a computer for the first time was really special.

The more we have the more we take things for granted and the less we truly appreciate all of it. Today for a couple of hundred bucks one can build a PC, use a Linux distro (more easy to setup than ever) with tons of great open source software like Audacity, VLC, Gimp, Inkscape, DOSBox, MAME, the browser of your choice, an IDE like Eclipse and have an awesome first PC great for learning and playing. Or just an iPad for $329 that can do all sorts of things.
 
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My first computer was an IBM clone with an orange monochrome screen. A hand my down from my cousin in '93. I learned how to use DOS and the command line with it. While I was limited to using Lotus 123 and some basic text editor, it helped me learn how filesystems work which was great before I got my first real PC, a Pentium 75Mhz, 8 MB RAM Windows '95 PC that cost about $1800 in '95.

I must say that while using them today would be really rough and a struggle, they were more exciting to me back then than the latest tech we have today. It's like going back to standard def video after being used to 720p, 1080p and now even 4K. I guess because it was all so new to me. Using AOL was really like magic! I was also mesmerized by stuff like MS Encarta and playing back MPEG 1 video on a computer screen. There was really no on demand content back then except for movies on VHS, cassettes and CDs and of course my own recorded tapes. But to see video and play music on a computer for the first time was really special.

The more we have the more we take things for granted and the less we truly appreciate all of it. Today for a couple of hundred bucks one can build a PC, use a Linux distro (more easy to setup than ever) with tons of great open source software like Audacity, VLC, Gimp, Inkscape, DOSBox, MAME, the browser of your choice, an IDE like Eclipse and have an awesome first PC great for learning and playing. Or just an iPad for $329 that can do all sorts of things.
People says the millennium generation is the information generation. They know more about using modern tech than us, who are rapidly moving towards 30+. But, they also do not have the opportunity to experience the excitement we experienced. Back when I was still below 10, I played red alert after my parents leaving for an overnight shift. That was a very fun time. I knew how to play RTS and now I play Starcraft.
Now we have iOS 11.4, an operating system with features people from 1980 could only dream, but in turn, the iOS is less exciting and more boring as time goes on. I use iPhone every single day, but I do not think using iOS is that exciting anymore. It’s the small things like 3D Touch cursor ties me to this system.
Someone can probably open a new thread entirely for nostalgia purpose, and relive old memories from 1980s and 1990s. I will stop here for now.
 
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Red Alert is one of the best games of all time along with Diablo 1 and Starcraft! It's ridiculous how many great games were made in the '90s. They're so good that even though the graphics are old that doesn't stop them from being fun.

I definitely agree as far as iOS. When I first used it and the App Store back in 2008, it was really amazing. Everyone who saw my iPhone 3G couldn't believe everything it did compared to their Blackberrys and other regular phones. Today, I barely even look for new apps. The main apps haven't really changed and there is no real reason to want to get a new phone until it can no longer run the latest version of iOS well. Right now that's happening for the devices that have 1 GB RAM. iOS 11 really needs 2 GB to run well and I imagine it will only get worse with iOS 12.
 
Don’t know about the Beta build of WatchOS but as it stands at the moment it only clears messages on Mac/iPhone/iPad.

I was hoping that since the phone and watch communicates it would somehow keep it updated. If what you say ends up being the case that is a shame because it is hardest to delete messages from the watch.
 
From my point of view Apple has forgot major bugs such as weather widget that ain’t updating itself when you select the city without he location turn on. Another major bugs 3D Touch bug that make it useless like no more vibration etc so long is my list but Apple isn’t listening to his customers anymore. :(
 
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