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Apple Seeds First Beta of tvOS 11.2 to Public Beta Testers

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Apple today seeded the first beta of an upcoming tvOS 11.2 update to its public beta testing group, one day after seeding the tvOS 11.2 update to developers. tvOS 11.2 comes just after the release of tvOS 11.1, the first update to tvOS 11.

The tvOS 11.2 public beta can be obtained by going to the Settings app on the Apple TV and navigating to the Software Updates section under "System." "Get Public Beta Updates" will need to be toggled on, and once it is, the Apple TV will download the beta software.

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According to Apple's release notes, the tvOS 11.2 update enables a new AVDisplayManager feature for developers, designed to allow the device to automatically switch video display modes to match the native frame rate and dynamic range of video content.

The update includes support for switching the Apple TV 4K display output to SDR for apps that are GPU-bound when running in HDR and it re-introduces the Unwatched category in Home Sharing for Movies, TV Shows, and Home Videos.

Apple says it also adds new features, bug fixes, and security improvements to the tvOS operating system.

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mikeboss said:
yeah, finally! it was about time. Apple TV unable to switch the framerate to match the content played back was a total deal-breaker for me.
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Really? The device has only been out for a month. This seems like a very fast turnaround.
As to why it launched without it in the first place is a different question.
Honest question though, don’t most 4k TV convert 24fps from 60fps already (without adding any artifacts)?
 
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Great that it will finally become usable again by having an unwatched list. Anyone know if it will allow that list as a single list without preview icons? Many times more efficient to read and scroll that list vs. the current row and column set up.
 
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Can canyone please confirm that the mode switching is only for the 4k version?! Isnt it useful also for the 4. gen ATv?
 
err404 said:
Really? The device has only been out for a month. This seems like a very fast turnaround.
As to why it launched without it in the first place is a different question.
Honest question though, don’t most 4k TV convert 24fps from 60fps already (without adding any artifacts)?
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Convert? Yes. Without artifacts? That's debatable, and depends on your TV, as some will and some won't. It really is just easier to feed it a proper signal in the first place.

That said, a lot of people won't notice the difference, or if their TV fails to convert it properly, because they've been dealing with 3:2 pulldown for decades.
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FidelSarcastro said:
Can canyone please confirm that the mode switching is only for the 4k version?! Isnt it useful also for the 4. gen ATv?
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Neither the 4K or 4th Gen will output 1080p at 24fps, and the 4th Gen doesn't support HDR, so what mode switching will it be doing?
 
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err404 said:
Really? The device has only been out for a month. This seems like a very fast turnaround.
As to why it launched without it in the first place is a different question.
Honest question though, don’t most 4k TV convert 24fps from 60fps already (without adding any artifacts)?
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Yes, but it can result in noticeable motion judder. I've never seen a TV pull it off for everyone, though some handle better than others. It's a highly subjective issue. Always best to view material in its native format.

2010mini said:
A software update is not needed for a new app. Amazon is the only one who can release their tvOS app.
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With all due respect, you don't know if Amazon app doesn't need a software update. They may be waiting for 11.2. Nevertheless the clock is running on Apple's promise that Amazon would deliver by the end of the year.

Krevnik said:
Convert? Yes. Without artifacts? That's debatable, and depends on your TV, as some will and some won't. It really is just easier to feed it a proper signal in the first place.

That said, a lot of people won't notice the difference, or if their TV fails to convert it properly, because they've been dealing with 3:2 pulldown for decades.
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Neither the 4K or 4th Gen will output 1080p at 24fps, and the 4th Gen doesn't support HDR, so what mode switching will it be doing?
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Is the ATV 4 lack of 1080p 24Hz a hardware limitation?
 
Krevnik said:
Convert? Yes. Without artifacts? That's debatable, and depends on your TV, as some will and some won't. It really is just easier to feed it a proper signal in the first place.

That said, a lot of people won't notice the difference, or if their TV fails to convert it properly, because they've been dealing with 3:2 pulldown for decades.
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Eliminating judder is easy for most modern TVs with 120hz panels. It just doubles the 60hz signal, identifies the actual frames and displays in equal time slices. This can usually be enabled separately from other post processing effects. The only issues is if the TV fails to sense the source being a 3:2 pulldown.
Obviously your mileage may vary somewhat by model, but assuming that your TV can process this correctly, you’d be better off leaving your ATV at 60hz to avoid unneeded mode changes in order to have a smoother overall experience.
Point being, the majority of people would be better off not using frame rate matching on their new 4k TV, so long as they have it set up correctly.
 
Mac 128 said:
Yes, but it can result in noticeable motion judder. I've never seen a TV pull it off for everyone, though some handle better than others. It's a highly subjective issue. Always best to view material in its native format.



With all due respect, you don't know if Amazon app doesn't need a software update. They may be waiting for 11.2. Nevertheless the clock is running on Apple's promise that Amazon would deliver by the end of the year.



Is the ATV 4 lack of 1080p 24Hz a hardware limitation?
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I don’t recall Apple having to create a new update of iOS just for a 3rd party app?
 
err404 said:
Eliminating judder is easy for most modern TVs with 120hz panels. It just doubles the 60hz signal, identifies the actual frames and displays in equal time slices. This can usually be enabled separately from other post processing effects. The only issues is if the TV fails to sense the source being a 3:2 pulldown.
Obviously your mileage may vary somewhat by model, but assuming that your TV can process this correctly, you’d be better off leaving your ATV at 60hz to avoid unneeded mode changes in order to have a smoother overall experience.
Point being, the majority of people would be better off not using frame rate matching on their new 4k TV, so long as they have it set up correctly.
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Does that work the same for us guys in Europe? I've seen US guys complain that BBC iPlayer is not smooth over in the US. This is why i'm thinking the auto switch rate will be a far better idea. I think we have 50hz/100hz TV screens here. The auto switching is a great 'world' standard which let's be honest, in the one world internet days, we really do need for these 'old skool' things called TVs!
 
I just installed the beta. I had to go back in and re-enable HDR but this seems to have fixed the issue where the main home screen appeared grayed out / faded.
 
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err404 said:
Eliminating judder is easy for most modern TVs with 120hz panels. It just doubles the 60hz signal, identifies the actual frames and displays in equal time slices. This can usually be enabled separately from other post processing effects. The only issues is if the TV fails to sense the source being a 3:2 pulldown.
Obviously your mileage may vary somewhat by model, but assuming that your TV can process this correctly, you’d be better off leaving your ATV at 60hz to avoid unneeded mode changes in order to have a smoother overall experience.
Point being, the majority of people would be better off not using frame rate matching on their new 4k TV, so long as they have it set up correctly.
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I've yet to see a 120Hz TV yet that handles 3:2 pulldown correctly. Native format is always better. As for what people want, well, my mom hates black bars and prefers to watch anything in wide screen stretch over the native format, and LOVES the soap-opera-affect, and oversaturated color. To each his own. Apple should have included the ability to auto switch to native format output from day one, like all professional video equipment.

2010mini said:
I don’t recall Apple having to create a new update of iOS just for a 3rd party app?
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They certainly do it for themselves. But that's not what I'm suggesting. The ATV 4K should have been released with the native format option and Dolby Atmos. All I'm saying here is Apple may have given Amazon a set of standards that Amazon designed for, and then Apple failed to deliver on them, as they did with Dobly Atmos and and auto format switching.

Also, Amazon app is incorporated as part of my Sony Android TV OS, not a separate App. I can't delete the Amazon video from system. So I literally have to wait for system updates for bug fixes. One such bug was gray bars on HDR letterboxes movies. That kind of tight OS integration suggests that yes, Amazon could have given Apple a list of requirements that the ATV 4K needed to meet before they would offer the app. Apple NEEDS the Amazon App far more than Amazon needs Apple. So considering the number of essential features Apple left off the original hardware, I wouldn't be surprised that they had not provided the support for Amazon yet, especially since they acknowledged the app would be out later in the year. Apple's issues, or Amazon's or both? I seriously don't think anyone can authoritatively say, besides Apple or Amazon. We're a little beyond precedent as a guide here.
 
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Mac 128 said:
I've yet to see a 120Hz TV yet that handles 3:2 pulldown correctly. Native format is always better. As for what people want, well, my mom hates black bars and prefers to watch anything in wide screen stretch over the native format, and LOVES the soap-opera-affect, and oversaturated color. To each his own. Apple should have included the ability to auto switch to native format output from day one, like all professional video equipment.
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http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/motion/24p
Admittedly it is a lower percentage of TVs doing this correctly than I thought, but interestingly about 1/3 of TV still have judder even when 24hz is selected.
So figuring the total number of models listed, only 1/3 will benefit from outputting a native 24hz signal.
The rest either can correctly compensate with a 60hz signal or fail even when 24hz is selected.
 
Mac 128 said:
Apple should have included the ability to auto switch to native format output from day one, like all professional video equipment."

I agree but, thank goodness, just one month into it, we've finally got it. Yes, it's truly truly truly crazy that it's never been a feature on ATV for nearly 10 years. Maybe Eddy didn't see the panning judder or maybe he and his colleagues believed that everyones TV throughout the world behave in the same manor as theirs. Which of course, they do not. I'm thankful that it's been addressed after the horrific criticism from every review. I just wish they'd sorted this out 10 years ago in all fairness! Panning judder is really horrible and I can't believe that some people don't notice it. :'(
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err404 said:
Really? The device has only been out for a month. This seems like a very fast turnaround.
As to why it launched without it in the first place is a different question.
Honest question though, don’t most 4k TV convert 24fps from 60fps already (without adding any artifacts)?
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No, they don’t deserve credit fir fixing a basic feature that shoukd have been there from the start!
 
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