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How has iOS 18 been bug-wise? I know it's an early beta but I'm curious how solid it is this early on, especially given all the AI stuff Apple has littered across the system (but presumably not enabled yet.)
Every app I've tried has not crashed. I've had weird airplay volume issues... once.
I've got automations that run every six hours without issues.
Home pieces seem to work fine.
I've got a bluetooth glucose sensor that is pinging the phone every five minutes without issue. Very solid so far on a 15 Pro. We'll see how the next few iterations go once we start getting a bit more AI in to the mix.
 
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You only have to sign up for the developer portal to get offered dev builds. You don't need to be an actual paying developer anymore.

I know this because my test iPhone is ONLY signed into my personal iCloud account, which has a dev portal account but not a paid account, and it gets offered dev betas.
I know, and you're right, but if these beta builds get in the hands of nearly all MacRumors readers as suggested in the original post, doesn't it defy the concept of non-public beta?
 
@mods - this thread needs cleanup.
There is little to no discussion on iOS 17.6.
You are aware that 17.6 was released to devs, and goodly amount of devs are already utilizing 18 beta. So until this 17.6 beta is available to PB testers then the discussions won't be as active. For more comments see

SDK notes

Audio

Resolved Issues

  • Fixed: Some bluetooth headphones might not be usable as an audio output route with certain AVAudioSession configurations. (129624040)

Camera and AVFoundation Capture

Resolved Issues

  • Fixed: AVCaptureDeviceRotationCoordinator returns incorrect values for videoRotationAngleForHorizonLevelCapture and videoRotationAngleForHorizonLevelPreview when using the Front Camera on iPad Air (6th generation) and iPad Pro (7th generation). (126887983)
 
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I hope not, there isn't even a Public Beta.
Or are we all devs?
I’m a dev, just not in Swift. The battery was annoying enough for me to at least try it. In short, my battery is much better again. I’ve worked in tech as a repair professional with Apple in my past life, so I’m more experienced doing this than the average user.
 
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Apple today seeded the first betas of upcoming iOS 17.6 and iPadOS 17.6 updates
That is good news. Since Apple's software has become far more buggy under the so-called "leadership" of the clueless CEO Tim Cook, iOS versions finally begin to have some semblance of stability and reliability when the x.6 updates are released.
 
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I know, and you're right, but if these beta builds get in the hands of nearly all MacRumors readers as suggested in the original post, doesn't it defy the concept of non-public beta?

It even defies the concept of public release.
 
I wouldn’t touch a pubic beta, either ;)
In my experience public beta are usually quite fine (I've noted a couple of minor but irritating problems with the current iOS 17 one and Apple News does not play well with it). But I wouldn't risk installing a developer one.
 
It's very usable, it just that the way you do things that are common place is now shifted around. Take for instance received calls. Clicking on the text of the caller doesn't initiate a call, only if you click on the phone icon on the far right. Clicking on the text opens the contact form with the ability to block or unblock calls from that party. In that manner it's like a bit of relearning is required with some features you use all the time. It not like a lot of the features they showed off have arrived yet which is typical that early in its cycle. At some point in the future most will have to learn all about how to use this rather then its becomes too featured all at once in Sept. :D
This reminds me of the early days of them trying to brainwash us with that weird "you already know how to use it" tagline. My brothers and sisters and I found it hilarious and coopted it for so many stupid things.
 
I only have a few gripes with this version but one of them I wish they would fix would be the Bluetooth stutter I get constantly when waking up my phone while having Airpods in. It is one of the most immersion breaking things ever.
 
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Every app I've tried has not crashed. I've had weird airplay volume issues... once.
I've got automations that run every six hours without issues.
Home pieces seem to work fine.
I've got a bluetooth glucose sensor that is pinging the phone every five minutes without issue. Very solid so far on a 15 Pro. We'll see how the next few iterations go once we start getting a bit more AI in to the mix.
When your Shortcut automations execute on iOS 18, can you disable the nagging Shortcut notifications on your Lock Screen? I have Shortcut automations on iOS 17 but can’t disable its notifications and it’s annoying!
 
Everybody: iOS nowadays is so buggy, it's basically unusable.
Also everybody in June: Let's install Developer Beta 1.
Ah the crutch word again. It can be addictive to use “basically” as a non-descriptive filler. All software has bugs, it’s always been a goal to decease discernible bugs to a level where they cease to be noticeable, but it’s impossible to completely eradicate them all. ;)
 
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Stable only refers to a release that is unchanging such as the public release. Unstable means that a prerelease seed is always subject to its being changed. Usually the beta 2 sees additional changes/features added that were not ready for the WWDC seed. Beta 3 might see additional changes/features added. Honestly beta 1 is usually more solid then beta 2 or beta 3, with either being whats chosen as the first PB seed. ;)
Well idk about all that but what I can speak to is my own personal experience which has been that, over the last several summers going back some 6 or 7 years now, the PB releases have historically been much more trustworthy to install on my daily driver irrespective of their test build (PB1, PB2, etc). Even in the years that had truly horrendous feedback regarding the volatility during the DB release cycle, generally speaking most of that got ironed out by the public testing phase. However, I think that's because Apple has gotten a much better handling on having their betas be closer to production-ready by time they start rolling them out to devs and the public alike.
 
Ah the crutch word again. It can be addictive to use “basically” as a non-descriptive filler. All software has bugs, it’s always been a goal to decease discernible bugs to a level where they cease to be noticeable, but it’s impossible to completely eradicate them all. ;)

No, please, not that response again. No one expects a 100% bugless software, but not only are the bugs not being decreased to the point of not being noticeable, iOS comes out with a lot more bugs now that it did years ago. Way more than what would be acceptable for decent software. And it’s partly because they’re always in a rush due to their stubborn idea of releasing new software every f…ing single year.
 
You are aware that 17.6 was released to devs, and goodly amount of devs are already utilizing 18 beta. So until this 17.6 beta is available to PB testers then the discussions won't be as active.
But discussion of 17.6 ≠ discussion of 18.
If people want to inquire or whine about 18, there’s a thread for that!
 
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When your Shortcut automations execute on iOS 18, can you disable the nagging Shortcut notifications on your Lock Screen? I have Shortcut automations on iOS 17 but can’t disable its notifications and it’s annoying!
I didn't think this was an issue on iOS17.... When looking at your automations, there's a 'Notify when run' switch you can turn off on iOS 18, -presuming this was there prior. Does that help?
 
Yes, if you have a saved backup from 17.5 and are ok to DFU/restore your phone and then apply that backup. All your banking apps (and related wallet cards) will need re-authenticating.
How about if I just update to 17.6 with the current information that is on my iPhone at this time, rather then backing up from an old back-up that is not up to date as what is on my phone currently, can I still downgrade to 17.6 once the final version is released?
 
As 18 is a higher number than 17.6, it's not an upgrade or update, but a downgrade. And that requires a valid backup from that release and a DFU/restore.

If you know what you're doing, you can use an IOS 18 backup saved to your laptop by editing the backup's plist file. You'll need to google how to do that. Plus there's no guarantee that the backup will work, although I think I read somewhere on this forum that someone did it and it worked. You'll need to be brave :)

But if it fails to work, then you can go from 17.6 (with a blank/new setup), log into your iCloud account, upgrade again to iOS 18 beta, and then restore the backup once you've un-edited the plist file.

It's a hassle!
 
I didn't think this was an issue on iOS17.... When looking at your automations, there's a 'Notify when run' switch you can turn off on iOS 18, -presuming this was there prior. Does that help?

I was indeed there prior. That switch has been there ever since the shortcuts app exists.
 
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