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Apple Seeds OS X Mavericks 10.9.4 Build 13E16 to Developers

MikhailT said:
I'm sure most of us are looking forward to the next Yosemite seed, these 10.9.4 seeds are pretty much...meh who cares. :)
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Depends on your usage. There are plenty of users who wait on major OS upgrades for various reasons. For them, x.x.4 is a no brainer and should fix a number of things while breaking little if anything. 10.10 is exciting but most people won't be using it until the public release if not months later.

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mediotanque said:
I wish Apple keep releasing updates for Mavericks as they did with older OS X systems such as Snow Leopard.
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In the past it has been one final release around the time of the next major OSX (either just before or just after). I don't see any reason they wouldn't do that again.

proline said:
If Apple calls it 10.9.5 you will run it but if it is 10.10 then you're scared?
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It's not just arbitrary naming. X.X updates are much bigger changes than X.X.X updates. It's not an issue of being "scared", it's knowing that 10.10 has big enough changes that it breaks compatibility with some apps and introduces more new bugs than a point update does.

For example on the first beta of 10.10, the latest versions of iMovie and FCX don't run at all. If you think the major updates don't change more than the minor ones you're deluding yourself.

Steve121178 said:
Why on earth would you do that? You need to change your mentality.

Sure, certainly give it a week or two before installing Yosemite, but it should be treated like any other OS X update.
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Many people treat every OSX update with caution and wait a while if not .2 or .3 or .4. I doubt my employer will allow it until a few months after release. Not that there's anything wrong with someone choosing to install it fairly quickly, but people who wait don't "need to change" anything.
 
proline said:
LOL. Yosemite is an update to Mavericks- it is free and runs on the same machines. Like all updates, it fixes some bugs, introduces some bugs (hopefully less), and adds the odd feature. I don't get some people's fragile psychological states. If Apple calls it 10.9.5 you will run it but if it is 10.10 then you're scared? What if they call it 10.9.10? Or is it the fact that they made changes to the skin of it that is so scary?
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Passing over the fact that you are obviously hot at ripping into people, has the idea passed you by that the person simply thinks the new visual is crop? Like I do?

Another thing is, whilst we're here, the name is spastic, must be the most overly-mispronounced place-name in history, and with good reason.

For those who like candy colours and bland shapes, why not just buy a packet of Skittles? Oh yeh, 10.10 is free. :/
 
MacSince1990 said:
LOL. You have no idea whether or not Yosemite is "an update to Mavericks.' It could be redesigned from the ground up. It could be radically different, the way 10.4.10 was to 10.4.9, and all the other OSes were.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

And no, they couldn't call it 10.9.5, else they'd have to call it a bugfix update for Mavericks.

Please stop talking.
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Why is everyone on MacRumors so eccentric? You'd think people would be excited about new software and not cling to the past. It's kind of ridiculous.
 
People are excited. But anyone using computers in a work/production environment is aware that major OS updates can break compatibility so it makes perfect sense for them to avoid the bleeding edge. If a given piece of software doesn't run as well in the newer OS version, sticking to the previous one is hardly clinging to the past.
 
n-evo said:
Kinda hard to be exited with OS X Yosemite around the corner...
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As milo stated, bugfixes are always welcome for productive environments which don't upgrade to the latest and greatest version of OS X. Currently I'm locked to 10.9.2, so I'm happily awaiting 10.9.4 and it's promised fixes. :)
 
These yearly OS X updates are getting annoying. Every 2 years was fine. Now, there are new versions coming out before the previous versions are even stable, and Apple keeps pushing people into updating the OS every year. I don't want Mavericks or Yosemite, but if I don't install one of them (in a VM of course), I can't get the new Xcode!

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proline said:
LOL. Yosemite is an update to Mavericks- it is free and runs on the same machines. Like all updates, it fixes some bugs, introduces some bugs (hopefully less), and adds the odd feature. I don't get some people's fragile psychological states. If Apple calls it 10.9.5 you will run it but if it is 10.10 then you're scared? What if they call it 10.9.10? Or is it the fact that they made changes to the skin of it that is so scary?
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The Dock is ugly, and not everyone cares enough about the few new features to bother updating and making sure all the 3rd party software still works with the new OS. When I updated to Mavericks, I was so close to opening the WD RAID manager, which would have wiped out my external hard drive due to a Mavericks incompatibility. Plus my system became so slow that I had to downgrade. And the update totally ruined my mom's computer by somehow corrupting the core libraries until I restored it to Mountain Lion. That taught me a lesson about updating.

No significant improvements, not worth the hassle and risk, especially if you depend on your computer for work. For some people, if it works, it's best to leave it alone.
 
PocketSand11 said:
These yearly OS X updates are getting annoying. Every 2 years was fine. Now, there are new versions coming out before the previous versions are even stable, and Apple keeps pushing people into updating the OS every year. I don't want Mavericks or Yosemite, but if I don't install one of them (in a VM of course), I can't get the new Xcode!

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The Dock is ugly, and not everyone cares enough about the few new features to bother updating and making sure all the 3rd party software still works with the new OS. When I updated to Mavericks, I was so close to opening the WD RAID manager, which would have wiped out my external hard drive due to a Mavericks incompatibility. Plus my system became so slow that I had to downgrade. And the update totally ruined my mom's computer by somehow corrupting the core libraries until I restored it to Mountain Lion. That taught me a lesson about updating.

No significant improvements, not worth the hassle and risk, especially if you depend on your computer for work. For some people, if it works, it's best to leave it alone.
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You're right, we should have all stuck with Mac OS System 1.0
 
vkd said:
has the idea passed you by that the person simply thinks the new visual is crop? Like I do?
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Says a lot that the Yosemite critics all go after the minor UI tweaks first. For them style comes first, substance is irrelevant.
 
proline said:
Says a lot that the Yosemite critics all go after the minor UI tweaks first. For them style comes first, substance is irrelevant.
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What substance? They didn't add anything we care about enough to update. They made the GUI annoying. So that's about +0 for new features, -1 for GUI. Yeah, I care about the features more, but the GUI still matters. What I care even more about is speed. If Yosemite is noticeably faster than Mountain Lion, I will upgrade, but considering what a disaster Mavericks was, it's a weak hope.

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proline said:
This opener pretty much says it all as far as how you interact with the world.
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What? It's ugly. I'm very judgmental.

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SVTmaniac said:
You're right, we should have all stuck with Mac OS System 1.0
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I don't understand. By the way, there was no such thing as Mac OS System 1.0.
 
proline said:
LOL. Yosemite is an update to Mavericks- it is free and runs on the same machines. Like all updates, it fixes some bugs, introduces some bugs (hopefully less), and adds the odd feature. I don't get some people's fragile psychological states. If Apple calls it 10.9.5 you will run it but if it is 10.10 then you're scared? What if they call it 10.9.10? Or is it the fact that they made changes to the skin of it that is so scary?
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You're analysis is not correct. 10.9.x implies that code has been rung through the ringer x number of times. Bugs have been fixed, and occasionally features have been added x number of times.

It is very common for people to avoid the initial release of any OS. So waiting for 10.10.1 or more is not unusual, and in many cases a smart idea. There is nothing wrong with the psychological state of those who wait, and their logic is actually very sound.
 
Blue Sun said:
To you, maybe. I think it is a big improvement on the 3D dock. These types of things are totally subjective.
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What's totally objective is that it would have better for them to leave 2D vs 3D in as an option. In previous versions, you could disable the 3D Dock effect if you didn't like it. I heard that Mavericks removed the option, but I haven't checked. Also, there IS such thing as good design.

I wouldn't care anyway if it wasn't one of the main features of the update.

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aj8690 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_1
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That's System 1, not Mac OS System 1.0.
 
Maybe it fixes the display sleep issue a few of us with nMP have been having with the displays not waking up.
 
SVTmaniac said:
Why is everyone on MacRumors so eccentric? You'd think people would be excited about new software and not cling to the past. It's kind of ridiculous.
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In what way am I cleaving to the past? I do think iOS 7/8/Yosemite looks ugly... I didn't like Paper Mario either... (this flat design was stupid, and I honestly *do* doubt Jobs would have liked it), but other than that I think it's a great OS.
 
MrGIS said:
You're analysis is not correct. 10.9.x implies that code has been rung through the ringer x number of times. Bugs have been fixed, and occasionally features have been added x number of times.

It is very common for people to avoid the initial release of any OS. So waiting for 10.10.1 or more is not unusual, and in many cases a smart idea. There is nothing wrong with the psychological state of those who wait, and their logic is actually very sound.
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LOL. More flawed logic. By your dubious reasoning, 10.10 has been "run through the ringer" 10 times so it must be good. Way better than 10.9.4 which has only been rung 4 times. There is actually zero scientific evidence that 10.x.0 builds are any buggier than any other. They are all just variants of OS X. Cite a source if you aren't just talking out your rear.
 
proline said:
Says a lot that the Yosemite critics all go after the minor UI tweaks first. For them style comes first, substance is irrelevant.
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I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that I am communicating with someone who insists on having the last word, even without engaging his overworked neuron (yes, singular). If, on the other hand, your above quote is the result of well-considered mental development, please share with us all your critique regarding how the visual appeal of the OS GUI is of lower importance than, say, the ability to 'Handoff' tasks, which, by the way, I for one will never do in the foreseeable future, not having - nor wanting - any other i-devices other than this iMac.

Thanks.
 
arkmannj said:
don't suppose anyone has successfully tried a command line hack to bring the 3D Dock back? :)
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Many have tried, it doesn't work. I think some may have switched to the 3D dock but they had to swap graphics files in the OS.

proline said:
By your dubious reasoning, 10.10 has been "run through the ringer" 10 times so it must be good.
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Nope. The major updates have major code rewrites and add many features while the minor updates are mainly bug fixes.

There is actually zero scientific evidence that 10.x.0 builds are any buggier than any other.
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Actual real life use of OSX shows otherwise. .0 builds always introduce a number of bugs. .x updates are mainly bug fixes and while some new bugs are introduced here and there, they are much more rare than .0 versions.

And aside from bugs, major changes under the hood are always in the .0 updates, so compatibility issues are MUCH more common with .0 releases.
 
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