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Apple Seeds Second Beta of macOS Sierra 10.12.5 to Developers

Um, would have thought blind eyes, maybe that is the problem, someone at Apple has a hearing problem, all suggestions are converted to speech.. I have been reporting the same issue with the thingy that you get when you try and log into another computer on the network, the log in box, it never retains the username and password, despite selecting save in keychain...

The other why bother with this is the safari generated password generator... the password only works on safari, NOT chrome, not firefox, why bother...Yes reported every week almost for a year...blind eyes syndrome!!!
 
cult hero said:
10.12.4 was a big deal for me. A lot of issues I've had with the Touch Bar and Thunderbolt 3 appears to have gone away. I had griped that the 2016 MBP was the most unstable Mac I have owned since the switch to Intel (that was pretty bumpy early on) each new release of Sierra, 10.12.4 in particular, has improved things.
  • No more randomly vanishing portions of the Touch Bar. (I was starting to think I had bad hardware.)
  • No more sleep/way system crashes while connected to Thunderbolt 2 or 3 devices.
  • Far less application crashing.
As others have stated, I wish they would be more detailed in their release notes.
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Strangely enough, 10.12.4 broke our 15" MacBooks at work. JSS + FileVault on 10.12.4 sends the mac into a boot loop where when you enter the login password, it'll try to decrypt and then reboot. : (
 
please Apple, give us back the "El Capitan" performance and ram management...

My 2012 MBPr worked better than ever with el Capitan, and have reduced performance notoriously, with Sierra.
 
Just installed the Public Beta. Apparently you are no longer allowed to have your Apple ID password the same as your account password and I was required to change it in order to log in.

This is a personal MBP, so I never even use the password. It's been this way since I set it up.
 
scrapesleon said:
will there be the new file system on mac?
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Expected this year as an update. Available now to beta testers... to test only, it will not boot yet. So if you're wanting to test it out on your external you could.
[doublepost=1491943638][/doublepost]I keep finding myself looking for the new nightshift in my beta, then remember oh 2011 is such old hardware :/ What is the issue of not making this work for older systems? I hated f.lux, it created so many system bugs and I had to wipe my system to remove that damn software too. Happy to see it applied with Apple now. These changes haven't shown to have the health benefits beyond it being a little nicer on a night time soothing effect. It's not going to hurt and it could be pleasant so why not try it? Best suggestion is to sleep at night in the dark for a proper release of melatonin, followed by sunshine on your face for at least a few minutes daily. Lots of science how much sun, dark, sleep we could best use.
 
coolbreeze said:
The last beta broke touchID on the MBP.

I flattened and returned to stable releases on my machines and devices. Grew tired of testing (yes, I am fully aware beta = bugs). Was fun for a while, not anymore.
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Mine did that too! To fix it all you had to do was re-add each fingerprint
 
Is it just placebo or overal image quality is better? On my MBP Retina early 2013 after last update picture looks clearer, sharper. I'm using scaling 1680x1050.
 
Tucom said:
No, at least not for me - Retina 4K iMac and the latest macOS update VASTLY improved the overall speed and snappiness of the OS.

iOS no difference, which is a good thing as it runs beautifully as is on my iPad Mini 4.

That's what betas and reviewer testing's for - reviewers who download the latest and report in. But I get where you're coming from, sometimes it is a bit iffy not knowing what will and won't be improved etc.
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If you have latest devices you do not see the difference, but when you upgrade older device from great to ****** that is something Apple should inform people. My iphone 5 with the latest software is so slow that is driving me crazy sometimes. I will not upgrade to new phone, for just simple reason. It is not good enough.
 
mikecorp said:
If you have latest devices you do not see the difference, but when you upgrade older device from great to ****** that is something Apple should inform people. My iphone 5 with the latest software is so slow that is driving me crazy sometimes. I will not upgrade to new phone, for just simple reason. It is not good enough.
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If it was a bad update, I would've not only not seen a performance improved, but a performance degradation. I DID see a difference; even if you have the latest device you will see a massive difference. Like I did. They don't need to inform people of anything, again, reviewers and beta testers are there for that. They're pushing out quality updates, especially these days, and they seem to be on the right track of making things even better than ever. It's not their place to make a PSA over slight performance differences of update to update.

They have even notified the public, IIRC, when the older phones were just too slow to accommodate the newer software.

Finally, if you have a phone that's just too slow to keep up, that's your issue - It's the same with Windows 7; runs slower on older hardware but FASTER on newer hardware vs. that same newer hardware running older software (say XP).

Just how tech goes sometimes. And not upgrading to a new phone to 'stick it to Apple' is silly. As software progresses, so does the need for more powerful hardware.
 
kissmo said:
Yes but on 10.13 most likely.
I would say it's possible that Apple might release an update to Sierra before 10.13 that would update the File System but small chance in my oppinion.

I believe that the FS will be part of the features specific of the new OS...
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I *seriously* hope they don't introduce a new FS at the end of Sierra's life. I tend to update to new MacOS versions very close to their final update, near Summer (in the past I updated soon, in Fall, but from the experiences these last years I prefer to wait until it becomes really release-quality). Updating to Sierra and getting a new FS is not really a good looking idea to me. I prefer they introduce it with their currently usual alpha/beta quality in 10.13, and I'll update to it on Summer 2018 when it becomes release-quality.
 
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Tucom said:
If it was a bad update, I would've not only not seen a performance improved, but a performance degradation. I DID see a difference; even if you have the latest device you will see a massive difference. Like I did. They don't need to inform people of anything, again, reviewers and beta testers are there for that. They're pushing out quality updates, especially these days, and they seem to be on the right track of making things even better than ever. It's not their place to make a PSA over slight performance differences of update to update.

They have even notified the public, IIRC, when the older phones were just too slow to accommodate the newer software.

Finally, if you have a phone that's just too slow to keep up, that's your issue - It's the same with Windows 7; runs slower on older hardware but FASTER on newer hardware vs. that same newer hardware running older software (say XP).

Just how tech goes sometimes. And not upgrading to a new phone to 'stick it to Apple' is silly. As software progresses, so does the need for more powerful hardware.
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there was not really a software progress, only functions were removed, and what was added is so silly any add on app would do fine. I do believe I should be informed on how many % update will degrade the speed and responsiveness of the device. More over every update sucks in recent years.
 
Msivyparrot said:
The other why bother with this is the safari generated password generator... the password only works on safari, NOT chrome, not firefox, why bother...Yes reported every week almost for a year...blind eyes syndrome!!!
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Is this a joke? The macOS keychain is accessible to any application that wishes–as long as you also grant it access. Chrome and Firefox, however, are not made by Apple (but Google and Mozilla, respectively) and chose to implement their own, separate systems.
 
I don't know when it started, as it's a feature I've only just noticed, but ... putting on / taking off my bluetooth headphones (or pressing "play/pause") now plays or pauses a youtube video rather than just trying to control iTunes playback even if iTunes wasn't running. Fantastic!

Of course, if iTunes is running then it controls that as before.
 
matt4077 said:
Is this a joke? The macOS keychain is accessible to any application that wishes–as long as you also grant it access. Chrome and Firefox, however, are not made by Apple (but Google and Mozilla, respectively) and chose to implement their own, separate systems.
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That is just the point, of just how ineffective the keychain is, the data should be accessible to every app that uses that mac, regardless of who made it..

Just imagine buying a Chevy, and only being able to use Sunoco gas, you would be screwed royally if you ran out of gas, the car runs a certain grade of gas, that is available countrywide, so the same should be for security, the keychain data should be available to all apps, from the router log in page, to banking, to whatever browser is used, the browser is 1 level above the keychain, Apple in refusing to allow access is just stupid!!!
 
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