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Apple Mail began to behave quite weird.

It boggles my mind a basic email application breaks so often with OS updates. After Apple finally fixed the breakage in Mojave I called a timeout on updates. The continuing stream of bug reports in Catalina hasn't regained my confidence.

Basic functionality like email should not explode every time the OS minor version number increases.
 
If this doesn’t fix the 16” MBP kernel panic when waking from sleep I swear to god...
I haven’t seen that problem on my Macs since 15.5 at least, and assumed it got fixed. Could you share the symptoms you’re seeing?
 
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also Imessage is broken again! between macos Catalina and Ios 13 this year, these were teh most buggiest years i have seen in a long time
 
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After using Windows 10 for a while, Catalina looks so boring o_O. If you really love macOS, stay away from Windows, no matter what.

I beg to differ. I have to use both and I find Windows 10 to be...annoying. The UI is extremely inconsistent, going back and forth between the "new" look that isn't so new, and items that look like they're from 20 years ago in Windows 2000. Some tasks are buried maddeningly deep in menus or controls. Thanks but no thanks.
 
Does anyone know if the update will finally support Airplay 2 at the OS level?
Specific apps can do it. So i can play music from Apple Music to a stereo pair of Homepods.
But if i want to preview audio files on my computer or stream music via safari, its only possible in mono!
 
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Tried to install (public beta 2) on my '18 mini but it never fully installed and now my eGPU won't work. It shows up in system report (under graphics and Thunderbolt) but I just get a black screen when I switch to it.
 
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I'm starting to think that my Mac Pro 4,1 needs stop at Mojave for the good of my sanity.

Is Catalina really this bad?

When I upgraded from Mojave I encountered a lot of issues and glitches and it improved since then. Only thing they did not address is the Apple Mail randomly popping up in the middle of my workflow and I don't think they really care about it. Bottom line if you don't need to upgrade preferably skip this version.
 
If this doesn’t fix the 16” MBP kernel panic when waking from sleep I swear to god...
Interesting - I used to get dozens of these crashes a day but they completely stopped with 10.15.5.
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Thanks for sharing this. It is a relevant warning for the other users still on much more stable OS Versions like 10.14.6.

Upgraded my 2014 iMac to 10.15.5 from 10.14.6 on 1st of June. Looked quite promising first, snappy and some really nice innovations, none of the problems many other people had seemed to appear. It even fixed some annoyances and small bugs still present in the last Mojave build.
Then, after a few days, Apple Mail began to behave quite weird. Mails were suddenly missing on iCloud Sync at random, leaving many mails which were in iCloud IMAP Folders beforehand now only locally in Apple Mail on Mac, not on the other devices or on iCloud Browser access. Furthermore, Time Machine was suddenly not anymore able to recover anything from Apple Mail.
Contacted Apple Support, 1st and 2nd Level tried some things, but in the end they were clueless. Currrently the item is on escalation for 3rd Level, hope for a callback on Friday...and they are not sure if they can help me. Local Export of Email Folders also does not seem to work properly, mails are left out here.

So no bail-out option via Rollback to Mojave, data loss is a realistic threat and it is unsure if Apple Support can do anything about it.

My advice is simple:
Although there are many people who have zero complaints about Catalina, there are still way to many still having such and other problems. 10.15.5 is definitely not a stable build (...and the users experiencing it as stable do not make it stable for the others who don't), and it is not very likely the final version of Catalina will be stable enough for many users.

So if you have the opportunity to skip / avoid Catalina, just do it.

i agree. I don’t understand the other poster’s sarcasm. If someone thinks that a version of OS is so bad they want to skip it altogether, I do want to know about it. One voice in an ocean probably doesn’t mean much, but there are increasing number of posters with Catalina issues. I myself have been suing Catalina from day one and it has been the buggies Mac OS for me in years!
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I haven’t seen that problem on my Macs since 15.5 at least, and assumed it got fixed. Could you share the symptoms you’re seeing?
Same here. Suffered this crash non stop on 10.15.4 then stopped altogether on 10.15.5.
 
What's the slowest part of any computer system? I'll give you a hint... it's sitting in front of the keyboard. Anything that slows down the user is BAD. So I've been ignoring Catalina because I use a 32-bit tool from way back in 2008 that makes me faster and still does things that I thought Apple banned years ago (such as passing keystrokes to background apps).

Seeing all the problems Catalina users are having makes me glad to be "stuck" on Mohave, but makes me worried about the future. Apple almost never puts the brakes on adding new features and breaking lots of stuff along the way. Snow Leopard was the only exception I can think of and even that didn't arrive without a lot of snarling from users.

Now we're facing the prospect of yet another processor transition (Intel to ARM) meaning the entire OS will be brand new code never tested in the real world. I wish all the early adopters good luck. You're going to need it.
 
Wouldn't it be nice for the next OS to simply build on the stability of the previous one? Well one can dream...

Hoping they just skip introducing a new OS and just take another year to get macOS Catalina solid.

Catalina is not "that" bad, but just very surprising that by .5 it does not feel yet stable and confident.
 
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I haven’t seen that problem on my Macs since 15.5 at least, and assumed it got fixed. Could you share the symptoms you’re seeing?
I think there are two sorts of problems. One got fixed with 15.5. I'm getting a "PowerPlay failed to resume" kernel panic. It even happened during shutdown yesterday evening and it always happens when I let the computer sleep for an hour or so. After several calls with Apple support, they insist it's a software problem that's being worked on, so patience please. As part of their suggestions, I upgraded to 15.5 (was on 15.3 before) but it didn't fix it.
 
Interesting - I used to get dozens of these crashes a day but they completely stopped with 10.15.5.

It doesn't happen every time, but this week twice in a row, last week a couple of times.
I go to lunch and when I come back the Mac doesn't wake from sleep, I use it in clamshell mode so I need to open the lid and then it starts and eventually I can see the message with the feedback to send about the crash.
Happened with 10.15.4 when I just got the 16", and it still happens with 10.15.5
 
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So no bail-out option via Rollback to Mojave, data loss is a realistic threat and it is unsure if Apple Support can do anything about it.


So if you have the opportunity to skip / avoid Catalina, just do it.

What blows my mind is that Apple knows about the problems with Mail since the first release of Catalina. The needed month to address the first bugs in Mail with a fix but left a lot of other unpatched until today. Many users are losing their valuable data. And Apple doesn't seem to care! This makes me angry :mad:

Bugs can happen, even if the shouldn't that often like in Catalina which seems to be full of it. But serious bugs need to be fixed. Serious and reproducible bugs like the t2 kernel panic, overheating macbook pro 16 gpus, data loss in Mail.app - there need to be a fix asap. Users shouldn't even have to wait until the next point release, such bugs scream for an emergency update release! Now! Instead Apple leaves us waiting for month. Unacceptable! :mad:
 
Maybe Catalina will run like a champ on A-series chips.

I have held back on buying a Mac because of all the problems I keep hearing about that release.

Now I'm at the point where I might not get a Mac at all (iPad's where it's at).

My (obsolete) 2011-2012 Macs are on High Sierra and I see absolutely ZERO incentive to move them up to even Mojave.

They are stable.
 
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Thanks for sharing this. It is a relevant warning for the other users still on much more stable OS Versions like 10.14.6.

Upgraded my 2014 iMac to 10.15.5 from 10.14.6 on 1st of June. Looked quite promising first, snappy and some really nice innovations, none of the problems many other people had seemed to appear. It even fixed some annoyances and small bugs still present in the last Mojave build.
Then, after a few days, Apple Mail began to behave quite weird. Mails were suddenly missing on iCloud Sync at random, leaving many mails which were in iCloud IMAP Folders beforehand now only locally in Apple Mail on Mac, not on the other devices or on iCloud Browser access. Furthermore, Time Machine was suddenly not anymore able to recover anything from Apple Mail.
Contacted Apple Support, 1st and 2nd Level tried some things, but in the end they were clueless. Currrently the item is on escalation for 3rd Level, hope for a callback on Friday...and they are not sure if they can help me. Local Export of Email Folders also does not seem to work properly, mails are left out here.

So no bail-out option via Rollback to Mojave, data loss is a realistic threat and it is unsure if Apple Support can do anything about it.

My advice is simple:
Although there are many people who have zero complaints about Catalina, there are still way to many still having such and other problems. 10.15.5 is definitely not a stable build (...and the users experiencing it as stable do not make it stable for the others who don't), and it is not very likely the final version of Catalina will be stable enough for many users.

So if you have the opportunity to skip / avoid Catalina, just do it.

As for Apple Mail - are you using GSuite / Gmail account with it perhaps? Pretty much since June Google does not support IMAP anymore, thus Apple Mail just stops updating the mailbox without any hints on whats going on. I have faced this issue even for account that was set via Google authentication and not IMAP settings.

That is - I recommend to delete all Gmail accounts (set as IMAP or Gmail) and set them again as Gmail accounts.

This problem is also there for users of Outlook 2016 (and earlier versions). The only way of using Gmail address there now is updating to Outlook 2019.

Now IMAP was way more convenient to use in case if multiple various domains / emails are set on one GSuite account. This is true especially on iOS, where Mail App could be set in such way that emails could be sent from all GSuite registered emails which is now is simply impossible. Gmail app has to be used, which does not integrate with icloud contacts... Ohh well:)

p.s. Never really experienced any issues in Apple Mail related to any other mail service.
 
As for Apple Mail - are you using GSuite / Gmail account with it perhaps?(...)I recommend to delete all Gmail accounts (set as IMAP or Gmail) and set them again as Gmail accounts.(...)
Thanks a lot for your well-meant advice, but that is not the problem here.
In fact I also have a Google Account and just tried your advice, which did of course neither break anything in addition but nor rectified anything.
The Problem persists exclusively in the synchronisation hanging between Apple Mail and iCloud IMAP Folders, nothing else involved here. Apple Support is also convinced that this is a problem within Apple Mail, not with other services.
 
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What blows my mind is that Apple knows about the problems with Mail since the first release of Catalina. The needed month to address the first bugs in Mail with a fix but left a lot of other unpatched until today. Many users are losing their valuable data. And Apple doesn't seem to care! This makes me angry :mad:

Bugs can happen, even if the shouldn't that often like in Catalina which seems to be full of it. But serious bugs need to be fixed. Serious and reproducible bugs like the t2 kernel panic, overheating macbook pro 16 gpus, data loss in Mail.app - there need to be a fix asap. Users shouldn't even have to wait until the next point release, such bugs scream for an emergency update release! Now! Instead Apple leaves us waiting for month. Unacceptable! :mad:

Ultimately what happens is, you'll still buy from them, so they may care, they may not.
 
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Yesterday and today I came back from lunch with my Mac shut down during sleep. It is quite annoying I hope it is fixed in this release

Im using MPB 13" 2017 and am having this problem since I upgraded to 10.15.4. I have installed every upgrade thereafter (10.15.4 supplement, 10.15.5, and 10.15.5 supplement) but the problem still persists. I tried every solution and workarounds suggested (changing the energy settings, resetting nvram/pram/ smc, booting on safe mode, using different account, used first aid in disk utility to repair the disk, used apple diagnostics to check hardware, reinstalled the macOS, erased disk and clean installed macOS. And still MAC Crashes. I AGAIN erased the disk, reinstalled the macOS clean, and just a while back it crashes. Apple support is now suggesting that it is hardware issue. I am thinking the bugs in Catalina created these defects in hardware. If there's someone there who thinks so, may be we should raise this to apple. It is not fair that we shoulder this unnecessary expenses because of their negligence.
 
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