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I should also remind you all that this yearly release schedule has taken Apple off of their long tradition of tick-tock-like releases, wherein you'd get a feature-rich version (such as, say, Leopard or Lion), shortly followed by a mainly bug fix one (such as the corresponding Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion, both widely regarded as being much more solid than their predecessors, and with good reason). macOS is a completely mature product at this point, and iOS and iPadOS are quickly heading in that direction, so there's absolutely no reason why Apple couldn't go back to that scheme even with a yearly release, and add only the bare essentials to support new hardware drivers and features (or maybe some Apple services, sure, but if they had to put something minor on hold because they were on a bug fix cycle, so be it). In fact, there have been some reports that iOS/iPadOS 17 and macOS 15 may, indeed, fit into that kind of release, something which I would very much welcome. Please, PLEASE hit pause and fix this mess for a change, I beg them.
You do know that it’s pointless to argue against the yearly hardware paired with multiple OS advancemints cycle that starts at WWDC. Trying to stall this in two year spurts would only give the competition the benefit of a Osborn effect to software changes for Apple OS advancement. Aside from the current Sonoma depending on you model you can make use of any older supported OS of you choice using DFU restore to pair OS and system FW correctly. ;)
 
I have a brand new Macbook Pro M3 Max 16' and it's been buggy since I set it up (fresh). This is ridiculous!
 
I use it to run VMs and Docker containers. Is that hardcore enough for you?



Yeah, I've seen some windowing issues with sleep.



Consider, just for a moment, that your experience doesn't mirror everyone's, and you don't need to insult other people's use of a Mac.
If you're running other OS's in vm's I'm not sure what that has to do with Sonoma specific issues. The obvious problems I mentioned are all pretty easily reproducible on any AS Mac, so my experience mirrors anyone with an AS Mac. A few more fun ones: Dock constantly doesn't reappear when 'Hiding' is enabled until you right click somewhere on screen, spacebar stops working in QuickTime for no reason, spotlight re-indexes external drives for no reason...

Like I said it's easy to say an OS is fine when you aren't using 99% of the functionality.
 
Without any description we have no opinions. ;)
I'm too annoyed to list down the issues that I'm having but it's the same sentiments that others have posted already.

I've only had it for 3 days and I've had Finder crashing just by copying a file.
Inserting an SD card (exFat and APFS) in the SDXC card slot is a hit-or-miss whether Sonoma would mount it or not but using an external card reader is fine.
Browsing settings would randomly freeze.

There are barely any apps installed yet, too so why would it have so many issues out of the box? I'm still in the process of setting up my Macbook on how I want it to look and feel, mind you, and I haven't done any extensive video editing yet. This is going to be interesting in the next few days for me.
 
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I'm too annoyed to list down the issues that I'm having but it's the same sentiments that others have posted already.

I've only had it for 3 days and I've had Finder crashing just by copying a file.
Inserting an SD card (exFat and APFS) in the SDXC card slot is a hit-or-miss whether Sonoma would mount it or not but using an external card reader is fine.
Browsing settings would randomly freeze.

There are barely any apps installed yet, too so why would it have so many issues out of the box? I'm still in the process of setting up my Macbook on how I want it to look and feel, mind you, and I haven't done any extensive video editing yet. This is going to be interesting in the next few days for me.
What version of MacOS is it running? 14.1, 14.1.1, 14.1.2, or 14.2 RC2? That is still a very new released MBP 10/30/2023. If you having really having odd issues compared to majority of us , I would first backup your current setup to a ASR external volume (HDD or SSD), then have the local Apple Store staff do a DFU restore (Factory wipe/install latest public MacOS and system FW). Then you recover all your system pref, applications, data from what saved to a ASR volume. It would also filter out any system files not compatible with the latest MacOS 14 version installed.

The public version of 14.2 will be released Monday if not Tuesday next week, you can try that first also before going the factory wipe route.
 
You do know that it’s pointless to argue against the yearly hardware paired with multiple OS advancemints cycle that starts at WWDC. Trying to stall this in two year spurts would only give the competition the benefit of a Osborn effect to software changes for Apple OS advancement. Aside from the current Sonoma depending on you model you can make use of any older supported OS of you choice using DFU restore to pair OS and system FW correctly. ;)
What Osborne effect? What competition? Microsoft, with their… what, triennial release schedule? Linux-on-the-desktop?

Face it, Apple could hit pause at any moment and nothing – other than maybe them getting back to the top of the performance and stability heap – would happen. Doing what they're doing, however… may degrade the experience in ways they might be oblivious to. Considering how spotty their development of professional machines is, and even of professional software (to the point that they can't even dogfood it, as their latest Keynote video having been edited in Adobe Premiere Pro attests), I suspect Apple does indeed have some serious blind spots when it comes to QA.

As for DFU restoring and old firmware pairing, surely you're not suggesting that I downgrade to potentially insecure, unsupported or otherwise outdated OSes just to get basic functionality back, are you? We're talking networking here, the pride and joy of UNIX. I've had AppleTalk and SMB shares here at home, working fine, for TWO DECADES now, and my most recent and expensive computer, a Mac Studio, can't properly serve those. It's a joke.

And to further drive the point home: I used to be the Mac Room monitor (more like admin) at my old Faculty, and I oversaw a network with around 36 desktop Macs, to which dozens and dozens of students also connected with their PowerBooks and MacBooks to send files to our print servers. None of them ever had any issues, and they ran everything from Panther to Snow Leopard. Heck, here at home I can actually connect from the Studio to an old iMac G5 running Leopard via SMB, and that one can, in turn, connect to an UTM VM on my Studio running Mac OS 9 via AppleTalk, so I know for a fact that this isn't a hardware issue. I own 20 different Macs at home, and those that are actually functional can connect to the network just fine. Conversely, I believe my old iMac 5K and Mid-2012 13'' MacBook Pro also had networking issues recently, due to… you've guessed it, s****y macOS versions (was it Catalina? Monterey? I can't recall, but I know it was fairly recent).

In my not-so-small sample of over 50 Macs, yeah, I'm pretty sure that networking issues like these are fairly recent and OS-related. I'm not sure how bad Windows' network stack is at the moment, but if I ever figure out it's more stable than macOS's, that would just add to the reasons for switching back, yep. The sheer amount of stupid little bugs (oh, someone mentioned windowing; guess what, I'm not forking over €1800 for a 5K Studio Display, and I'm a bit fed up with macOS screwing up my window sizes whenever it wakes up from sleep) is like death by a thousand cuts.

For someone so well-versed in computing history, to the point that you even know what the Osborne is, surely you can appreciate how OSes and platforms come and go, and sometimes due to sheer hubris. And my personal experience is: the more bugs I find, and the longer they linger, the less “bluff-y” my threats to AppleCare representatives that I may one day switch back are. I haven't exactly looked at pricing, and whether I'd get a pre-built/brand name machine or build my own, but I never really stopped buying components as I've always treated my Macs like PCs. Sure, Apple could do away with all the power users like us, but they shouldn't forget that we are the ones who got others to switch and stick to the platform in the first place. If I were to switch back, I might very well take ≈50 people with me for the journey in the long run. And considering how my nickname is actually Mac-related, and how I'm a design teacher, that would be news in and of itself and send a bit of a signal across a +300-strong community.
 
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Does anyone know if Apple pulled the RC2? I have 4 machines running M1, M2 and M3 chips. Only 2 of those (M1 iMac and M2 MBA) had the RC2 available for install while the other 2 (M3MBP and M1MBA) show 23C63 as the latest build.
 
MacBook Pro 9,2 does not get HD4000 working
 

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