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Apple today seeded the second beta of an upcoming iOS 12.3 update to its public beta testing group, one day after seeding the beta to developers and a little over a week after releasing the first public beta.

Beta testers who have joined Apple's beta testing program will receive the iOS 12.3 beta update over-the-air after installing the proper certificate on an iOS device.

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Those who want to download the new beta can do so after signing up for the beta program, which gives access to iOS, macOS, and tvOS betas.

iOS 12.3 brings the new TV app that Apple first introduced at its March 25 event. The TV app is an updated version of the original TV app, offering up TV shows, movies, sports, news, and more all in one easy-to-access spot.

The updated TV app has improved content recommendations available through a new "For You" section in the app, which will suggest shows and movies you'll like based on your past watched history.

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There's also a new feature called Channels. Channels are subscription services that you can sign up for and watch in the TV app without having to open up another app. Some of the new Channels include CBS All Access, Starz, Showtime, HBO, Nickelodeon, Mubi, The History Channel Vault, and Comedy Central Now. During the beta, users can subscribe to Showtime, Starz, Smithsonian, and Tastemade.

In the future, the TV app will also house Apple TV+, Apple's upcoming streaming service for its original TV shows and movies.

Article Link: Apple Seeds Second Public Beta of iOS 12.3 With New TV App
 

jml1982

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Can anyone mention a single subscription service that Apple has had over the years that actually lasted or worked like it was supposed to? Besides Apple music (which there are a lot of problems with)?
 

ipedro

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Great. The first beta was really buggy. So slow and had difficulty playing content, sometimes reverting to content that had been playing yesterday even though I had pressed play on a completely different video. Tis' a beta of course. Might go back to the stable official release version if this is as bad.
 
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jamesarm97

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Nothing but lockup after lockup with this release on my phone. Haven’t had a problem until this release. Sometimes freezes and unresponsive for minutes then comes back, sometimes hard locks.
 

ipedro

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Can anyone mention a single subscription service that Apple has had over the years that actually lasted or worked like it was supposed to? Besides Apple music (which there are a lot of problems with)?

Can anyone mention a single subscription service that Apple has had over the years that actually lasted or worked like it was supposed to except for the ones that did last and worked as they were supposed to?

Apple Music is fantastic. What problems do you speak of? Apple hasn't had many subscription services for us to pull examples from. They have of course had paid services. Apple Care has been around for decades and works like it's supposed to. iTunes was an industry leading service that lasted and worked like it was supposed to and is now being replaced by Apple Music — another successful paid service. iCloud is a massive service that people forget about because it works exactly as expected.

Can you give us examples of Apple subscription services that failed?
 
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sos47

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still waiting for a Photos Update and Final Cut release for iOS.... to use my iPad pro instead of my mbp
 

ipedro

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still waiting for a Photos Update and Final Cut release for iOS.... to use my iPad pro instead of my mbp

I think we'll see a major focus on iOS for iPad at WWDC. We'll see a full redesign of the Files app to support the USB port for external HDDs as well as existing app improvements to cater to professionals. Final Cut Pro for iOS and a Photos app update with support for multiple libraries can only be unveiled once external storage is available so we'll be one step closer.
 

matrix07

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The final probably won't be out this month. The betas are already available.

Too bad. Those “Try For Free” button on channels on new TV app is so tempting. Really want to know if I can subscribe to HBO or Hulu in app, and from oversea? Can’t wait for further information.
 

HeadphoneAddict

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Can anomy mention a single subscription service that Apple has had over the years that actually lasted or worked like it was supposed to except for the ones that did last and worked as they were supposed to?

Apple Music is fantastic. What problems do you speak of? Apple hasn't had many subscription services for us to pull examples from. They have of course had paid services. Apple Care has been around for decades and works like it's supposed to. iTunes was an industry leading service that lasted and worked like it was supposed to and is now being replaced by Apple Music — another successful paid service. iCloud is a massive service that people forget about because it works exactly as expected.

Can you give us examples of Apple subscription services that failed?

Well, there were some problems with the service when it was first introduced, which were bad enough to scare me away from giving it a try, even today.

The worst one I can think of it that people would have non-DRM music that they owned in their iTunes library, and then Apple Music would allow iTunes to replace their owned music with DRM music, and their non-DRM music could be lost forever if not saved on a backup.

That seemed inconsistent (and obviously a problem) with the fact that Apple had already allowed people to pay extra to convert purchased DRM 128k music to the new no-DRM iTunes+ 256K music. And then later Apple allowed people to use $24.95/yr iCloud Music Library to upload low bit-rate MP3 to match and then delete it from their local iTunes library so that it could be re-download it as non-DRM 256K AAC. And if the person had purchased 128K DRM music from Apple in the past, after signing up for iCloud Music Library they could delete the music from their computer and re-download it as DRM free music. If I recall, DRM for iTunes music purchases went away when Apple was able to change to a 3-tier pricing for music, and more popular music started to cost $1.29 a song instead of the old $0.99 per song.

And yet, a multitude of people who signed up for Apple Music were having their personal music replaced with DRM copies after signing up and using Apple Music. It was especially common for someone who might have an incomplete album without DRM, and then they'd download the full Album via Apple Music and lose their privately owned music that was overwritten.

I just don't want to risk having a music library that is partially owned by me, and partially owned by Apple, such that when I quite the subscription then I have a mess left behind - leaving me trying to sort out what is mine and what will only play if I re-subscribe. Therefore, I went with Tidal and Spotify for streaming after Pandora was too limiting, such that I can keep my downloaded subscription music entirely separate from the music that I own in iTunes.
 

matrix07

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Well, there were some problems with the service when it was first introduced, which were bad enough to scare me away from giving it a try, even today.

The worst one I can think of it that people would have non-DRM music that they owned in their iTunes library, and then Apple Music would allow iTunes to replace their owned music with DRM music, and their non-DRM music could be lost forever if not saved on a backup.

That seemed inconsistent (and obviously a problem) with the fact that Apple had already allowed people to pay extra to convert purchased DRM 128k music to the new no-DRM iTunes+ 256K music. And then later Apple allowed people to use $24.95/yr iCloud Music Library to upload low bit-rate MP3 to match and then delete it from their local iTunes library so that it could be re-download it as non-DRM 256K AAC. And if the person had purchased 128K DRM music from Apple in the past, after signing up for iCloud Music Library they could delete the music from their computer and re-download it as DRM free music. If I recall, DRM for iTunes music purchases went away when Apple was able to change to a 3-tier pricing for music, and more popular music started to cost $1.29 a song instead of the old $0.99 per song.

And yet, a multitude of people who signed up for Apple Music were having their personal music replaced with DRM copies after signing up and using Apple Music. It was especially common for someone who might have an incomplete album without DRM, and then they'd download the full Album via Apple Music and lose their privately owned music that was overwritten.

I just don't want to risk having a music library that is partially owned by me, and partially owned by Apple, such that when I quite the subscription then I have a mess left behind - leaving me trying to sort out what is mine and what will only play if I re-subscribe. Therefore, I went with Tidal and Spotify for streaming after Pandora was too limiting, such that I can keep my downloaded subscription music entirely separate from the music that I own in iTunes.

That’s not true. How uploading music will delete your music? It won’t. You just misread it or misunderstood it.
 

Pruus

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Still miss my Bluetooth-indicator on the top. Again, Again, again. New things all over but i miss the basics on Apple, to put received mail in the Calendar for later actions. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Basics are all way back.
 

Tomcolgan

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Will this be better or similar to Netflix? I am currently using Netflix but would like to move to Apple TV
 

posguy99

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That’s not true. How uploading music will delete your music? It won’t. You just misread it or misunderstood it.

Except it will. Assuming you're silly enough to enable iCloud Music Library in the first place, Apple takes it upon themselves to randomly replace tracks in your library with their copies. Problem is, they're incompetent, so their matching algorithm may or may not replace like with like.

On three attempts now since the service debuted, all Apple has managed to do is trash the local library, requiring restore from backup.

Apple also has this ridiculous idea that you should not be able to even create playlists unless you allow them access to your local library, which reduces the usefulness of the service greatly.

The *only* reason I am currently a subscriber to Apple Music is because Verizon is giving it away for free, but its usefulness is severely limited. It's not worth more than "free", that's for sure.
 
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HeadphoneAddict

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That’s not true. How uploading music will delete your music? It won’t. You just misread it or misunderstood it.

No, uploading music didn't delete their music - they only owned a few songs on an album to they downloaded the whole album from Apple Music , and it overwrote the non-DRM music that they owned.
 

HandsomeDanNZ

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I'd like services that work in a more than basic form in a non-US environment.

I understand that licensing is an issue, but Apple must realise that the world is larger than America, right?
 

matrix07

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I'd like services that work in a more than basic form in a non-US environment.

I understand that licensing is an issue, but Apple must realise that the world is larger than America, right?

TV+ will be available in 100+ countries at launch. Not surprising since it’s Apple own product. What really interest me is will HBO and Hulu, for example, be available as a channel for oversea customers who’s having US account? The signs are good but it’s still not definitive.
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Except it will. Assuming you're silly enough to enable iCloud Music Library in the first place, Apple takes it upon themselves to randomly replace tracks in your library with their copies. Problem is, they're incompetent, so their matching algorithm may or may not replace like with like.

On three attempts now since the service debuted, all Apple has managed to do is trash the local library, requiring restore from backup.

Apple also has this ridiculous idea that you should not be able to even create playlists unless you allow them access to your local library, which reduces the usefulness of the service greatly.

The *only* reason I am currently a subscriber to Apple Music is because Verizon is giving it away for free, but its usefulness is severely limited. It's not worth more than "free", that's for sure.

I don’t have this problem. I have to manually delete any albums I upload to iCloud music myself. (and also have to delete them from trash can to make it gone for good) What you said doesn’t make any sense and completely opposite to my experiences.
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No, uploading music didn't delete their music - they only owned a few songs on an album to they downloaded the whole album from Apple Music , and it overwrote the non-DRM music that they owned.

This doesn't sounds plausible either so I tested it. Since I don't have any album that has only a few songs I'll add this U2 album that I deleted most of the songs apart from the 1st, 3rd and 10th song. As you can see it's m4a format so they're the songs ripped from my own CD and are non-DRM.
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So I add it and go to Apple Music and add that album from Apple Music. What it's shown is clearly that Apple Music just added the rest of the song, instead of all the songs as you can see no. 1, 3 and 10 tracks still show the + icon.
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Back to my library and sure enough, song no 1, 3 and 10 didn't show the cloud sign so they're my ripped, lossless & non-DRM, files rather than Apple Music file..
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Like I said, it's must be a misreading or misunderstanding on your part, or on the original poster. If the original poster talking about songs he/she bought from iTunes (which is DRMed), he/she can go to purchase tab in iTunes and re-download those songs whenever they like so it isn't like their songs were gone either.
 
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matrix07

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Yeah.. I read your first link and it was ancient.

It is like a 1st day of Apple Music and ONLY happen if you let it automatically scan your entire library at once. If you manually let it scan album by album it’s completely fine, which is the way you should do anyway.

As you can see from my test above (https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...s-12-3-with-new-tv-app.2177267/#post-27275135) Apple Music not only intelligently choose the right album when I want it whole, it’s also intelligent enough to only add the rest of the tracks when I already have some tracks but give me the whole album with all the tracks on my phone that doesn’t sync with this iTunes.

The problem here, I think, is people who doesn’t speak from experiences but goes by with what they read and let their confirmation bias dictates what they read and remember. In 2011 when I bought my 1st Mac if I read this forum religiously I wouldn’t buy it because it seems full of problems. Turns out my first Mac is my best purchase decision in a long while.
 
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HeadphoneAddict

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Like I said, it's must be a misreading or misunderstanding on your part, or on the original poster. If the original poster talking about songs he/she bought from iTunes (which is DRMed), he/she can go to purchase tab in iTunes and re-download those songs whenever they like so it isn't like their songs were gone either.

I said this was happening early on, where the DRM music from the Apple Music subscription replaced their non-DRM music that they'd either ripped or downloaded elsewhere, and they did not have it backed up.

So, to listen to their music they had to keep their Apple Music subscription forever, or repurchase the music. I was afraid to try Apple Music after all the hell people went through, and it wasn't just one person. It's nice to know it's fixed. I appreciate the effort you went through to document this.

But, secondly, I said that I would prefer to keep all my DRM subscription music in a separate app or library than the one with the 26,000 songs that I already own.
 
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