Apple Seeds Second Release Candidate Version of macOS Monterey 12.5 to Developers

[theorist9]

As far as intel based Mac Pro customers there still isn't an Apple Silicon successor to that Mac workstation that offers a modular upgrade capacity. So the discussion of when intel CPU based Mac products cease to have MacOS support is likely a lot further off.

I wrote that under the assumption that the AS Mac Pro, and an M2 Pro Mini, will be released in late 2022, which would mean the Intel Mac Pro and Intel Mini will be discontinued this year. In that case, an Intel support EOL of late 2026 would indeed be four years after the last Intel Mac is sold by Apple (not including refurbs, etc., of course).

Apple said they planned to complete the transition in two years*, and I assume they would like to meet that deadline. [*Two years from the Nov 2020 release of the first AS, if not two years from the June 2020 annoucement of the transition.]

 

[Kenjutsuz]

Well, it’s my Mac, I bought with my money, I’ll decide when I want to upgrade and exercise my right to share an honest opinion.

Concour.....Software updates....are on my machines 4.... garbage....Go back to yearly cycles..

 

[pierce1979]

Supposedly 12.5 will fix the bug with Calendar not syncing with on prem exchange servers

 

[polee]

Will this be released today? Been waiting to update!

 

[TheGeneralist]

Will this be released today? Been waiting to update!

Why are you guys so impatient? What exactly are you waiting for?
From my standpoint, Monterey is still an OS with lots and lots of buts which can mostly be categorized as small to medium, thus hindering the experience every time I work with it.
In this regards Monterey does not differ from its precedessors - many of those bugs are even still the same and remain unfixed for generations of macOS releases. But, at least for my specific use cases, an important difference is that Catalina and Big Sur caused even more severe breakdowns on my Macs, like frequent Kernel Panics etc.

So this means Monterey seems to have at least some potential to ripen beyond the quite greenish state its precedessors had at the end of their life cycles. And now we have a dot release under development which seems to focus mainly on stability.
As a result for me, every week, every day, every hour Apple spends on fixing those numerous bugs, glitches, flaws and stability problems is time gained, not time wasted. I expect to be using Monterey for quite some time now, as I expect macOS 13 not being able to fulfill my minimum stability requirements until somewhere in 2023. Therefore I am really looking forward towards a stable release - and every time I read about another beta cycle, another RC I think:

Yes, that's the right way to do it - finally this time you're at least trying to generate the quality I expect.
Please continue that way and take all the time required to make it rock solid!

 

[Kenjutsuz]

Why are you guys so impatient? What exactly are you waiting for?
From my standpoint, Monterey is still an OS with lots and lots of buts which can mostly be categorized as small to medium, thus hindering the experience every time I work with it.
In this regards Monterey does not differ from its precedessors - many of those bugs are even still the same and remain unfixed for generations of macOS releases. But, at least for my specific use cases, an important difference is that Catalina and Big Sur caused even more severe breakdowns on my Macs, like frequent Kernel Panics etc.

So this means Monterey seems to have at least some potential to ripen beyond the quite greenish state its precedessors had at the end of their life cycles. And now we have a dot release under development which seems to focus mainly on stability.
As a result for me, every week, every day, every hour Apple spends on fixing those numerous bugs, glitches, flaws and stability problems is time gained, not time wasted. I expect to be using Monterey for quite some time now, as I expect macOS 13 not being able to fulfill my minimum stability requirements until somewhere in 2023. Therefore I am really looking forward towards a stable release - and every time I read about another beta cycle, another RC I think:

Yes, that's the right way to do it - finally this time you're at least trying to generate the quality I expect.
Please continue that way and take all the time required to make it rock solid!

The point is..bug fixes never happen after latest release..then onward to Ventura....pitiful

 

[theorist9]

...where has Apple announced x.5 will be the last? The last OS to stop at x.5 was Yosemite; El Cap, Sierra, HS, and Mojave all went to x.6, and Catalina and Big Sur went to x.7.

Granted, Mojave, Catalina, and Big Sur all had their last releases in or before July, but Sierra and HS had their last releases in September and November, respectively.

They haven’t announced anything; this is my conjecture.

We might see more point releases (12.x.y) through fall and beyond, especially given that they’ve cut off some hardware support, but I don’t think we’ll see another minor release (12.x.0). I think 12.5 chiefly exists as a last stable basis for backports and bug fixes.

I'm curious—what's the basis for your conjecture (that 12.5 is the last minor release)? I.e., how do you judge that a particular release is likely to be the last? [Unless, of course, it's released in Nov. or Dec., since you know there won't be any more after that.]

1) there isn’t anything noteworthy in it; it’s really just a roll-up of fixes and 2) the next major releases is just around the corner

Now I think you understand why I had reason to be skeptical of the conjecture that 12.5 would be the last release.