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Apple Seeds Third Beta of macOS Monterey 12.5 to Developers

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Apple today seeded the third beta of an upcoming macOS Monterey 12.5 update to developers for testing purposes, with the new update coming two weeks after the release of the second macOS Monterey 12.5 beta.

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Registered developers can download the beta through the Apple Developer Center and after the appropriate profile is installed, betas will be available through the Software Update mechanism in System Preferences.

There's no word yet on what new features or changes might be included in macOS Monterey 12.5, and nothing new was found in the first two betas. It's likely this update focuses on bug fixes and other minor improvements to the operating system.

macOS Monterey 12.5 could be one of the final updates to the macOS Monterey website as Apple is now shifting its focus to macOS Ventura, the next-generation Mac operating system coming this fall.


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macOS 12.3 had bad bluetooth even with its own Apple keyboard and trackpad.

macOS 12.4 had made is even worse where I daily need to issue a 'sudo pkill bluetoothd'.

hope they fix bluetooth ... its always been a pain on macOS compared to even Linux oe my android smartphones ...

(and I've given up hope they'll fix the decade+ long bug which randomly changes the audio balance on bluetooth headphones)
 
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TracesOfArsenic said:
Monterey is a massive flop. Every iteration of macOS gets worse and they need to quit it with this annual cycle of releasing unfinished operating systems (mobile and desktop).
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Agree that the yearly release cycle has turned out pretty bad and should have been ended as a practice. Quite a few stinker releases in the last decade that I recall. A two-year cycle maybe...?

Worst thing to me however is that if you buy a new machine you are always locked onto the latest release even if that machine was obviously developed and tested with the prior OS version. Imagine buying something like a Mac Pro 2019 and being stuck with Catalina or later when there's a perfectly well working Mojave kicking about.
 
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For me the 12 months cycle works and I believe that every new version of MacOS was a huge success. And I think that it is really helpful that there are regular updates and new features as well.

But that is the way all forums work. You have to be disappointed about company xy, shouting loud that all the people in this companies are stupid (you are the only one who really know what to do) and that in the past everything was much better.

I am happy with Apple.
 
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project_2501 said:
macOS 12.3 had bad bluetooth even with its own Apple keyboard and trackpad.

macOS 12.4 had made is even worse where I daily need to issue a 'sudo pkill bluetoothd'.

hope they fix bluetooth ... its always been a pain on macOS compared to even Linux oe my android smartphones ...

(and I've given up hope they'll fix the decade+ long bug which randomly changes the audio balance on bluetooth headphones)
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That's strange - I use Apple's bluetooth keyboard and mouse (+ a bluetooth headset) 8+ hours every work day and have never had any of these issues.

Wonder why it's so problematic for some and not at all for others?
 
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th0masp said:
Agree that the yearly release cycle has turned out pretty bad and should have been ended as a practice. Quite a few stinker releases in the last decade that I recall. A two-year cycle maybe...?

Worst thing to me however is that if you buy a new machine you are always locked onto the latest release even if that machine was obviously developed and tested with the prior OS version. Imagine buying something like a Mac Pro 2019 and being stuck with Catalina or later when there's a perfectly well working Mojave kicking about.
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I think they should just release a large package of visual changes at once, when ready (ie, a new Named version of the OS they can promote), or release smaller changes as they come down the pipe. The current system makes no sense, they either announce and things arent ready, or they release a new version that has virtually no changes and it looks embarrassing

having a set schedule is dumb if there's no consistency.
 
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th0masp said:
Agree that the yearly release cycle has turned out pretty bad and should have been ended as a practice. Quite a few stinker releases in the last decade that I recall. A two-year cycle maybe...?

Worst thing to me however is that if you buy a new machine you are always locked onto the latest release even if that machine was obviously developed and tested with the prior OS version. Imagine buying something like a Mac Pro 2019 and being stuck with Catalina or later when there's a perfectly well working Mojave kicking about.
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Exactly! The only reason I'm even on Big Sur is because my 2019 MBP was RMAd for keyboard issues and they replaced it with a new one with the latest OS. I didn't get a choice!

When they were in the big cat naming convention things were a little more stable on release and they were exciting releases. These days you could quite happily skip every second and be better off than dealing with the bugs.
 
th0masp said:
Agree that the yearly release cycle has turned out pretty bad and should have been ended as a practice. Quite a few stinker releases in the last decade that I recall. A two-year cycle maybe...?

Worst thing to me however is that if you buy a new machine you are always locked onto the latest release even if that machine was obviously developed and tested with the prior OS version. Imagine buying something like a Mac Pro 2019 and being stuck with Catalina or later when there's a perfectly well working Mojave kicking about.
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No not true.
You can create a usb installer of any compatible os that the unit can run and install it from there. I have done it.
 
project_2501 said:
macOS 12.3 had bad bluetooth even with its own Apple keyboard and trackpad.

macOS 12.4 had made is even worse where I daily need to issue a 'sudo pkill bluetoothd'.

hope they fix bluetooth ... its always been a pain on macOS compared to even Linux oe my android smartphones ...

(and I've given up hope they'll fix the decade+ long bug which randomly changes the audio balance on bluetooth headphones)
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hi @JerryDon - what is it you disagree with?
 
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No not true.
You can create a usb installer of any compatible os that the unit can run and install it from there. I have done it.
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The issue I was referring to is that a newly released computer will only run an OS that was released shortly before or around the same time. So you are getting the dreaded x.1 release with your brand new machine. Often unsupported by professional applications at the time of release. Also generally a happy beta-testing time.

Instead of simply supplying the necessary drivers with the x.5 or x.6 release of the previous cycle. Still current but stable and supported by the applications you may want to use. And you know with how long these computers are in the works that they will have been developed running the previous year's OS and probably even the one from the year before that.

Unless you have heard of a way to e.g. run 10.14.6 on a Mac Pro 7,1? Because I very much remember what a mess Catalina was for a long time and to my knowledge 10.15 is the minimum they allowed on this thing.

Had the same thing happen to me with an MBP many moons ago. New laptop model with new accompanying OS release around the same time. Took until x.3 to sort out the most basic USB connectivity issues. Aaargh.
 
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