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Well, I live in my own apartment with my family and even if I wanted to live in my parent's basement - i couldn't. We don't have such things here where I live. But I'm glad you let off some steam. I guess .. just a bad day?



It isn't that, and if you care to read my following reply you will understand why.



This forum is literally just for this. Expressing yourself. If you want your own forum with your own rules - create one and leave me out of it.



What products and developments? Yosemite has been a complete MESS. With OR without updates. It's pointless trying to heal it. It's dead. I highly doubt 10.10.5 will resolve your 10.10.4 issues.



It is not going to be riddled with bugs, and the "as has always been the case" shows that you haven't even tried it. El Capitan is SO MUCH better than Yosemite. Yes, the Beta is better than the "stable" Yosemite. AT least on my three totally different macs. If you'd wait at least one update from El Capitan you're doing it wrong. Really, it's already better than Yosemite.


Any way. What I meant by saying "why bother with Yosemite" was just really an observation regarding the fact that there are a lot man-hours still spent on Yosemite (which is usable and i hardly believe will become better than it already is) rather than just leaving it at that (it works, it's not BETA, so all you professionals can't complain) and just concentrate on El Capitan, because in my opinion it is very good (which is a good sign, considering it's only august).
That's all. I didnt say "HEY Y'ALL, YOU SHOULD ALL INSTALL EL CAPITAN BETA. YOU, YES, YOU, A CORPORATION HOSTING 500 MACS, INSTALL IT IMMEDIATELY"

So don't need to jump on me. Even if you disagree with me.Have a nice day.

Have you ever worked for a major (or even smaller) corporation?
 
If you think my reply is rude, please take a look at the one above mine. I tried to be as honest as possible, because 10.11 is still a beta and as such is not for everyone.

I wasn't really referring to your post, more the first quoted reply that called him a basement kid or whatever just for his opinion.

Although all of the replies were a bit reactionary for something so insignificant. I think he was trying to get more at the fact El Capitan will be out within the next month or two and Apple may as well be focusing on refining that to be better than 10.10.5.
 
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Seems pointless. Even at this early Beta stage, El Cap blows Yosemite out of the water regarding performance. Yosemite is a bloated, laggy OS and the sooner it's put out to pasture the better.

Some businesses won't be able to upgrade straight away because their software won't work with The Captain (or they'll completely skip The Captain and have a policy of upgrading every 5 years or so).

If you've ever worked for a large company you'll realise how difficult bumping up to a whole new version can be. For home users... sure, I agree. But if you're waiting for 3rd party drivers to be stable, need to make significant updates to in-house apps, hardware/software that you rely on needs to be updated because it behaves differently...etc then you'll probably just want general security/stability updates rather than feature/performance updates that could mess with things.
 
I wasn't really referring to your post, more the first quoted reply that called him a basement kid or whatever just for his opinion.

Although all of the replies were a bit reactionary for something so insignificant. I think he was trying to get more at the fact El Capitan will be out within the next month or two and Apple may as well be focusing on refining that to be better than 10.10.5.

Thank you. Exactly what I meant.
 
Have you ever worked for a major (or even smaller) corporation?

I haven't. I work for a small company that specializes in export. We have 10 computers with windows 7 which I almost never ever use. I have the privilege of being able to use my own computer. I understand what you mean and where you're coming from, and I may be very well completely wrong, but having said that, the Yosemite HAS been a complete mess, they have been many updates that didn't resolve a lot of issues and there have been COUNTLESS betas of the .1 updates (almost even more than El Capitan betas) so it just seemed to me that concentrating on El Capitan and leaving Yosemite at 10.10.4 was a good idea. Especially considering the fact that i really doubt 10.10.5 will be a completely different system and all the issues will be resolved. Knowing Apple we all know they are DYING for you to update to El Cap as soon as its released. I'm not inviting everyone to install the BETA of El Capitan, especially in work environments.
 
It's like some people think everyone should be using nothing but El Capitan betas, and support for Yosemite should be dropped.

It isn't that at all. I don't think everybody should install beta 4 and forget about Yosemite. Sorry I didn't express myself in a better way from the start.
And if it makes you feel better, i've commented about El capitan beta in yosemite beta thread for the first time. I didn't know a lot of people complained about it in here. I wasn't trolling is what i'm trying to say..
 
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Well, I live in my own apartment with my family and even if I wanted to live in my parent's basement - i couldn't. We don't have such things here where I live. But I'm glad you let off some steam. I guess .. just a bad day?



It isn't that, and if you care to read my following reply you will understand why.



This forum is literally just for this. Expressing yourself. If you want your own forum with your own rules - create one and leave me out of it.



What products and developments? Yosemite has been a complete MESS. With OR without updates. It's pointless trying to heal it. It's dead. I highly doubt 10.10.5 will resolve your 10.10.4 issues.



It is not going to be riddled with bugs, and the "as has always been the case" shows that you haven't even tried it. El Capitan is SO MUCH better than Yosemite. Yes, the Beta is better than the "stable" Yosemite. AT least on my three totally different macs. If you'd wait at least one update from El Capitan you're doing it wrong. Really, it's already better than Yosemite.


Any way. What I meant by saying "why bother with Yosemite" was just really an observation regarding the fact that there are a lot man-hours still spent on Yosemite (which is usable and i hardly believe will become better than it already is) rather than just leaving it at that (it works, it's not BETA, so all you professionals can't complain) and just concentrate on El Capitan, because in my opinion it is very good (which is a good sign, considering it's only august).
That's all. I didnt say "HEY Y'ALL, YOU SHOULD ALL INSTALL EL CAPITAN BETA. YOU, YES, YOU, A CORPORATION HOSTING 500 MACS, INSTALL IT IMMEDIATELY"

So don't need to jump on me. Even if you disagree with me.Have a nice day.
Lol I've tried El capitan it froze on with several applications and Spotlight kept quitting and trying to open again... More stable than Yosemite? Hell no
Faster in some areas? Yes, Metal has made some much needed improvements in graphics rendering
 
It can be a bit of a dilemma for those of us running Yosemite beta as to whether or not to upgrade to a subsequent beta, (El Capitan in this case) that's earlier along in the development process.. Arguably, Yosemite IS a mess, and the core mission of El Cap is to straighten that out. The fact that El Cap is now running the 4th public beta means that substantial refinements are already done, at least the a good bit of the heavy lifting. Subsequent refinements will only improve things.

If El Cap turns out to be the Snow Leopard type OS X that many of us appreciated, the appeal of sticking with it longer rather than jumping on the next OS X 10.12 Mojave or whatever will be substantially more compelling for me.
 
Is the battery drainage issue resolved in 10.10.5? In 10.10.4, battery can drain by 7 to 10 percent in sleep mode overnight. On the whole, however, I have never had any major issues with Yosemite, coming from Mountain Lion.
 
Not to worry ... By OS X 11 gets here all of this stuff that's been fixed in 10.10.x.to 10.10.5 will be broke again..
 
Lol I've tried El capitan it froze on with several applications and Spotlight kept quitting and trying to open again... More stable than Yosemite? Hell no
Faster in some areas? Yes, Metal has made some much needed improvements in graphics rendering
I don't know if it's Metal or not, but animations are smooth even on my 2007 iMac. Mission Control was HELL on yosemite on this iMac. Now it's smooth as it was with mavericks. I'm a happy camper (especially considering they still support a 2007 computer).
Sorry to hear about your problems, my computers have been smooth, especially in the core system aspect. Settings app crashed just right after the install (never happened again) and the screen was black after waking up from sleep, but a simple SMC reset resolved the issue. (Only on iMac)
 
I don't know if it's Metal or not, but animations are smooth even on my 2007 iMac. Mission Control was HELL on yosemite on this iMac. Now it's smooth as it was with mavericks. I'm a happy camper (especially considering they still support a 2007 computer).
Sorry to hear about your problems, my computers have been smooth, especially in the core system aspect. Settings app crashed just right after the install (never happened again) and the screen was black after waking up from sleep, but a simple SMC reset resolved the issue. (Only on iMac)
Well it's Metal, Apple have said a lot of things have been recoded in it to render faster.
And yeah I know how bad mission control is in Yosemite, even on my brand new 2015 MBPr, it lags when you swipe to mission control.
 
Is the battery drainage issue resolved in 10.10.5? In 10.10.4, battery can drain by 7 to 10 percent in sleep mode overnight. On the whole, however, I have never had any major issues with Yosemite, coming from Mountain Lion.
I don't have any battery drainage issues with my 2015 MBPr since upgrading to 10.10.4, I'd assume your laptop is getting older and the batteries don't hold as long, not necessarily an OS issue.
 
I don't know if it's Metal or not, but animations are smooth even on my 2007 iMac.
Well it's Metal, Apple have said a lot of things have been recoded in it to render faster.
We're off topic for this thread, but whatever performance improvements you see in a 2007 iMac aren't due to Metal as it only works in 2012 and newer Macs.
 
It's ironic that now that Yosemite is finally smooth and relatively bug free, here comes El Cap with a good deal of to be expected bugs. Not sure that is really going to be progress. Seems like they have to break things in order to move forward all the time. Don't quite get why...
 
It's ironic that now that Yosemite is finally smooth and relatively bug free, here comes El Cap with a good deal of to be expected bugs. Not sure that is really going to be progress. Seems like they have to break things in order to move forward all the time. Don't quite get why...

This is how it's always been, you just didn't know about it because betas were closed and you were not allowed to talk about the betas publicly if you were a tester. Now that the public are beta testers for OS X people are shocked at how unstable a beta is and think that Apple has lost it's touch. They haven't. That's the very nature of beta software. I have been a beta tester for the last several releases of Parallels and while using the beta I can't post anything about it, but believe me, they were just as wonky and broke previously working functionality every bit as much as what we are seeing with OS X.
 
It's ironic that now that Yosemite is finally smooth and relatively bug free, here comes El Cap with a good deal of to be expected bugs. Not sure that is really going to be progress. Seems like they have to break things in order to move forward all the time. Don't quite get why...
We still have lagging with graphics in some areas on Yosemite which will be addressed in El Cap, but El Cap is going to have better testing I'm assuming compared to Yosemite which did not receive as much.
El Capitan still has a while to go (over a month at least till release) so hopefully it will be perfected by then.
 
It's ironic that now that Yosemite is finally smooth and relatively bug free, here comes El Cap with a good deal of to be expected bugs. Not sure that is really going to be progress. Seems like they have to break things in order to move forward all the time. Don't quite get why...

I agree with you. It is a ridiculous cycle of broken, year later fixed, broken, year later fixed.
 
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