moopf said:Hmm, I hope there's a converse option to make it easy, or prompt, to leave a rating if you're happy with the app, otherwise this is really skewed towards those who aren't happy.
And, say you've had the app for a while, got more than your money's worth for it but then got bored of it. What would *you* be likely to put as the star rating? I'm guessing many would probably rate it lower than they would of whilst they were enjoying it.
Not sure about this at all.
If you're deleting, it can't be too good.
What better way to drive down ratings. Fail.
Took the words right out of my mouth. They should find a way to get people to rate before deleting.
Statistics considered, wouldn't this cause the rating of an App to plummet? If 90% of the people that are rating the App are people that are deleting the App from their phone, then 90% of the ratings would be bad. But what about the million people that are choosing to keep the App?
And 90% of the people deleted it for a reason. Right?
Read his post again. A tiny fraction of people deleted it, but while most of them voted, the far larger group of people who kept it were never asked to vote. Seems like an odd plan to me.
Couldn't agree more.I agree with Arn here, if you are deleting something it means it wasn't any good. As such it is maybe the most realistic way of rating an app. Good apps stay and bad apps go. It is as good a benchmark as any especially for paid apps. I paid $10 but deleted it. Now why would that be? For free apps it doesn't matter but if people are deleting apps they paid for it is very telling.
This idea intrigues me. My new app Informant has sold over 200 units in the last week, but i have ZERO reviews.
Hmm. What lessons can we infer from new "features" like these?
1) Changes to the iPhone firmware will be geared towards either direct revenue-producing efforts (the app store) or "glitz", shiney baubles that invoke the "wow" reflex" but do very little of substance (street view).
2) Changes that wouldn't produce immediate revenue, but would satisfy the screaming masses (C/P, MMS, Push, the "holy Trinity") are relegated to back-burner status, if planned at all. After all, we already bought the iPhone, so there's no money to be made giving us what we want now.
It's sad, really. What the iPhone does, it does fantastically well. It just doesn't do all the "little" things that busy people really need/want it to do. The fact that the iPhone lacks things like the "holy Trinity" will carve off 10% of it's potential market share, handing back to Android and Crackberry. And that's a shame.
Isn't it possible that these ratings are not going to be sent to the iTunes Store, and are simply equivalent to the way a user can rate their favorite songs in their song collection and have the number of stars show up next to the listings in iTunes?
Encouraging people to rate their apps this way would open the door to having the Genius feature make future app recommendations for you.
I disagree. I think you are jumping to conclusions based on their neglect of features you want.
Look at the new features in 2.2
- podcast downloads straight from the iPhone; generates no money for Apple
- Google Transit; generates no money
- Google Street View; generates no money
- Maps location sharing; generates no money
2.1
- Genius playlist creation on the device; generates no money
- Wipe data after 10 incorrect passcode entries; generates no money
- Triple click microphone; generates no money
- Better iPod features; generates no money
Nothing glitzy about all of the above. All welcome features.
MacRumors said:
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iPhoneHellas.gr has published a screenshot from the latest iPhone 2.2 Beta 2 which reveals that Apple may be seeking to increase customer participation in reviewing iPhone and iPod Touch Apps.
Specifically, the latest firmware will ask users to rate an application if they decided to remove them from their iPhone. Apple would presumably send the rating back to the iTunes App Store. While Apple had originally allowed anyone to leave a apps ratings, Apple now requires customers to have purchased an application prior to rating/reviewing it.
Recently leaked screenshots of iPhone 2.2 Beta 2 have revealed a number of new features including:
- Google Street View
- Public Transit Times and walking Directions
- Location Sharing
Article Link: Apple Seeking to Increase Participation in App Store Ratings?
Couldn't agree more.Ok everyone, just take a deep breath and keep everything in perspective. As a developer, I am seriously concerned that the number of crappy apps on the app store will prevent the users from finding the good apps. Any thing that works to improve the situation is all to the good.
Also, this is a beta release, not telling what will be released. Also we don't know where else you get a chance/prompt to rate the application. What if you are given a one time chance after a certain number of uses, or a certain time period has passed? We don't know, but I applaud Apple with trying to come up with some way to get people to leave reviews.
Couldn't agree more.
It's in everyone's interest that good apps are easier to find and bad apps become harder to find. We're all drowning in the sea of crappy developers trying to make a quick buck... and it's only going to get worse over time if nothing is done soon.
Sorry to say it, but MMS is a bridging tech... it only exists because the telcos want to make money from users sending pictures and because a lot of phones didn't have email.HOW ABOUT FLIPPIN' MMS!!!!
You do know Android and Blackberry are also missing features, go and read some of their forums, not all is rosy there.Not jumping to conclusions at all -- and of course, I'm talking about the features I want, what would be the point otherwise?
I think Genius is all about "encouraging" users to purchase more from iTunes, isn't it? Of course, there's money there...
And of your 2.2 list, I might consider direct-download of podcasts to be productive -- although, I've not heard that rumor yet. Until 2.2 is official, that whole list is fairly speculative, isn't it?
And yes, it's all pretty much glitz, defined as "extravagant showiness", "ostentation". See this link. Transit might be useful to some. But not, IMHO, as useful as Push/CP/MMS might be.
Constructive criticism does not need to invoke the "protect the anthill" myrmidonic defense mechanism. I just think that before we get more fluff and glitter, we get just a few more chunks of meat and taters.
You do know Android and Blackberry are also missing features, go and read some of their forums, not all is rosy there.