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Wow.. if im not mistaken Apple is the first trillion company and now is asking for tariff exemption.

I guess Apple is in a hurry to get to 2 trillion.

Apple!!!
 
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I don't think anyone disagrees it's the profitable option, the same way no one disagrees legalised slave traders had a duty to maximise obedience through torture.

You know that all the US Founding Fathers were slaveowners, right? They were working on a most amazing document of its time that would guarantee freedoms for the white men for centuries to go, but they didn’t think that they were doing anything wrong by having slaves or denying voting rights to their own sisters, wives, and mothers.

Not only owning slaves was legal back then, but it was also ethical. It was as ethical back then as eating animals or owning an internal-combustion-engine vehicle is today. I’m sure 100 years from now people would be dumbfounded that Barack Obama was being chauffeured around in an internal-combination-engine vehicle while advocating for climate-change-control measures.
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The problem with the current administration is that they don't follow the rules fairly. If you're brown-nosing the President, you are far more likely get what you want. This is not how America should be.
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Really? Trump wasn't even President 3 years ago.
Trump met with Cook in December of 2016, if memory serves, and encouraged him to move manufacturing out of China.
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The only way Apple will build products in the US, when robots build 90% of the product and they are allowed to bring in foreign workers for the remaining 10%. Actually closer to reality then many think. The delusion, American workers have the skills and willingness to do these jobs is just that delusional.
Why bring foreign workers? Can we not supply the workers that can service the robots?
 
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Sure. The tarrriff hit is alreade figured into the 30% overcharge on the Mac Pro. The monitor stand is made from United States metal, so it receives a 400% overcharge.
 
So sad to see so many, especially Yanks who are sucking up to the twisted rhetorics of Trump's tariff war. There's no righteousness there but brutal bullying, one that the US has applied to numerous emerging economic powerhouses in the past century, from the UK, to Germany, EU, Japan and others. Similar it has done to Canada, Mexico, Australia, South Korea amongst many others. It's all about US economic dominance than legitimate fair trade. Sorry, US is not the victim as portrayed but the bully! Apple's seeking of tariff relief is but what many other US companies are doing, and has been granted. Fact is, Trump's tariff war is failure, causing mutual and collateral damages around the world. More than a year down, US's trade deficit and national debt is still increasing. Of course, unwillingness to treat the root cause is the problem as it'll hurt. Trump is just trying to get other sovereign nations to pay for the excesses of the US, something that's been going on for too long already.
Your philosophy is flawed. We have a huge national debt - I’m too lazy to look it up now, but it’s now above $23 trillion. Generations of Americans will be paying it off. You know why we have this debt? Three things caused it: unfair trade, generous foreign aid, and spending trillions on defending the allies.

The UK had to be bailed out twice by the US in both world wars with the American lives and treasure. Same goes for France. The NATO can’t defend themselves from Russia without the US. We have to keep tens of thousands of our troops all over the world because our allies can’t stand on their two feet. Americans were the ones who saved Africa from the AIDS epidemic. The Europeans did nothing. All of this costs trillions of dollars. We are tired of being screwed over by our everyone - friend and foe.

It’s time for the Europeans to stand on their own two feet. They have more people than we do, and they have competitive economies. Pay for your own defense to prevent Putin from rolling into your countries. Contribute at least 2% of your GDP toward your own defense. We are tired of paying for your security. We are tired of you talking advantage of unbalanced trade and siphoning out hundreds of billions of dollars just to lend them back to us at an interest so that we can have a budget for another year, whereby we continue to give you free military assistance and you continue to screw us over on trade. Enough is enough. After more than 70 years since you tried to kill each other during the last world war, it’s time for you guys to play fair and act as adults.
 
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Would you still buy an iphone at 3 times its current price?
Yes if it meant not supporting China. Back before we offshored everything to China we used to just save up for things we wanted. We can do that again and know we are once again supporting ethical working conditions and sound environmental practices and a whole lot of other things that are better valued and implemented elsewhere than in China.
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The only way Apple will build products in the US, when robots build 90% of the product and they are allowed to bring in foreign workers for the remaining 10%. Actually closer to reality then many think. The delusion, American workers have the skills and willingness to do these jobs is just that delusional.
I could live with that if it means not having to see another CEO profusely kiss the butt of the regime in Beijing.
 
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Apple has asked the United States government to exclude Apple Watch, AirPods, HomePod, iPhone components, and other devices and parts imported from China from the 15 percent tariff that went into effect on September 1, reports Bloomberg.

Apple filed for exclusions on 11 products or components on Thursday, which was the first day that companies were able to ask for relief from tariffs.

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During Apple's earnings call earlier this week, Apple CEO Tim Cook confirmed that Apple is already paying tariffs on some of its products. Cook also said that Apple is hopeful the United States and China will resolve the trade dispute.

"I don't know every chapter of the book, but I think that will eventually happen," Cook said. "I certainly hope it happens during the quarter, but we'll see about that."

In its request for tariff waivers, Apple said that it has been unable to find a source outside of China able to meet the U.S. demand for products or components in the coming year.

Apple asked for tariff exemption for Mac Pro components earlier this year, and though Trump initially said Apple would not be granted tariff relief, Apple did indeed receive exemptions for some of the Chinese made components, and in turn agreed to manufacture the new Mac Pro in Texas.

Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Apple Seeks Tariff Waivers on iPhone Components, Apple Watch, AirPods and More
When is apple going to pay its full share of taxes?, how long is the dumbed down America citizens going to let themselves get garbaged?
 
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Better than nothing - Apple is still brown-nosing China and at the same time is now trying to get away with it in the US. Can’t have it both ways.
Still proves your original comment that they “completely” moved out of China as false. And that doesn’t include component purchases that end up in a device, even if the final device is assembled outside of China.

I laugh at the hypocrisy in this thread about China when people are posting messages using computers that were either made in China or have parts from China. Why don’t you all go through your house and throw out everything from China and see what you’re left with.

Then you can lecture companies about where they make things.
 
The idea, Tim, is that you should be offshoring your production from China to a country that is less inclined to steal your intellectual property and more inclined to support free trade agreements in general. I‘m pretty sure that there are other countries other than China too with Universities that you can join as a director. Get with the program. Be an American.
As long as his precious city (Sodem and Gomorrah) of San Francisco is not destroyed politically or other ways perhaps he does not care about the rest of the United States.
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Still proves your original comment that they “completely” moved out of China as false. And that doesn’t include component purchases that end up in a device, even if the final device is assembled outside of China.

I laugh at the hypocrisy in this thread about China when people are posting messages using computers that were either made in China or have parts from China. Why don’t you all go through your house and throw out everything from China and see what you’re left with.

Then you can lecture companies about where they make things.
I did, I have no television or pc, I have not watched any cable/satellit/or mainstream programing for 24 years and no tv for 19 except for a few years used as a monitor, the only time it was used was for a monitor...i only have a tablet/shortwave radio for information purposes.
 
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Yes if it meant not supporting China. Back before we offshored everything to China we used to just save up for things we wanted. We can do that again and know we are once again supporting ethical working conditions and sound environmental practices and a whole lot of other things that are better valued and implemented elsewhere than in China.
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I could live with that if it means not having to see another CEO profusely kiss the butt of the regime in Beijing.
However, the US (and some other) economies for quite some time have been built on the "buy it now, pay for it later" model. Your "save and then buy it" model is a foreign concept to millions of consumers these days. Some parents stress this model as part of educating their children, but there are a huge number who are caught on the debt treadmill themselves and are setting a poor example for the offspring. This consumerism at all costs must change but it may bring down the whole house of cards.

The offshoring was a huge shortsighted error and has cost a huge price and the piper is far from being paid. Very sad.
 
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Your philosophy is flawed. We have a huge national debt - I’m too lazy to look it up now, but it’s now above $23 trillion. Generations of Americans will be paying it off. You know why we have this debt? Three things caused it: unfair trade, generous foreign aid, and spending trillions on defending the allies.

The UK had to be bailed out twice by the US in both world wars with the American lives and treasure. Same goes for France. The NATO can’t defend themselves from Russia without the US. We have to keep tens of thousands of our troops all over the world because our allies can’t stand on their two feet. Americans were the ones who saved Africa from the AIDS epidemic. The Europeans did nothing. All of this costs trillions of dollars. We are tired of being screwed over by our everyone - friend and foe.

It’s time for the Europeans to stand on their own two feet. They have more people than we do, and they have competitive economies. Pay for your own defense to prevent Putin from rolling into your countries. Contribute at least 2% of your GDP toward your own defense. We are tired of paying for your security. We are tired of you talking advantage of unbalanced trade and siphoning out hundreds of billions of dollars just to lend them back to us at an interest so that we can have a budget for another year, whereby we continue to give you free military assistance and you continue to screw us over on trade. Enough is enough. After more than 70 years since you tried to kill each other during the last world war, it’s time for you guys to play fair and act as adults.
Also get rid of that atrocious pagan praying idol worshipping atrocity and most likely causing most of the issues in the entire world, the Vatican.
 
Still proves your original comment that they “completely” moved out of China as false. And that doesn’t include component purchases that end up in a device, even if the final device is assembled outside of China.

I laugh at the hypocrisy in this thread about China when people are posting messages using computers that were either made in China or have parts from China. Why don’t you all go through your house and throw out everything from China and see what you’re left with.

Then you can lecture companies about where they make things.
They, the general consumer here in America wants high pay and low prices, they complain about foreign imports but continually buy them over American goods, well you can’t have no jobs and purchase items and you can’t complain about high prices when you want more money, america make your minds up either keep the enconomy going or destroy your countries sovereignty...one or the other.
 
The government further screwing the people that can feel the difference...
All US companies were warned about production in China 3 years ago. Stop making your **** in China and move manufacturing to the US and other countries that are not currency manipulators and intelectual property theives. Get on it already. You should have started the process 3 years ago.

Other countries have been "stealing" technology for years (ie: Korea, Japan, etc.) yet I don't see you blasting those countries, or do they get a pass because they're "democracies?"
 
The government further screwing the people can feel the difference...


Other countries have been "stealing" technology for years (ie: Korea, Japan, etc.) yet I don't see you blasting those countries, or do they get a pass because they're "democracies?"

Well, at least japan does not destroy they’re sovereignty.

Japan learned a lesson that the USA has not learned yet & probably never will.
I wonder why no one criticizes Japan's "Islamophobia"?

* Hiroshima has returned to what it was economically before the atomic bomb was dropped.

* Japan prevents the use of mobile phones in trains, restaurants and indoors.
* For first to sixth primary year Japanese students must learn ethics in dealing with people.
* Even though one of the richest people in the world, the Japanese do not have servants.
The parents are responsible for the house and children.
* There is no examination from the first to the third primary level because the goal of education is to instill concepts and character building.
* If you go to a buffet restaurant in Japan you will notice people only eat as much as they need without any waste because food must not be wasted.
* The rate of delayed trains in Japan is about 7 seconds per year!!
The Japanese appreciate the value of time and are very punctual to minutes and seconds.
* Children in schools brush their teeth (sterile) and clean their teeth after a meal at school, teaching them to maintain their health from an early age.
* Japanese students take half an hour to finish their meals to ensure proper digestion because these students are the future of Japan.
The Japanese focus on maintaining their culture.
Therefore,
* No political leader or a prime minister from an Islamic nation has visited Japan not the Ayatollah of Iran, the King of Saudi Arabia or even a Saudi Prince!
* Japan is a country keeping Islam at bay by putting strict restrictions on Islam and ALL Muslims.
1) Japan is the only nation that does not give citizenship to Muslims
2) In Japan, permanent residency is not given to Muslims.
3) There is a strong ban on the propagation of Islam in Japan
4) In the University of Japan, Arabic or any Islamic language is not taught.
5) One cannot import a 'Koran' published in the Arabic language.
6) According to data published by the Japanese government, it has given temporary residency to only 2 lakhs, Muslims, who must follow the Japanese Law of the Land. These Muslims should speak Japanese and carry out their religious rituals in their homes
7) Japan is the only country in the world that has a negligible number of embassies in Islamic countries.
8) Muslims residing in Japan are the employees of foreign companies.
9) Even today, visas are not granted to Muslim doctors, engineers or managers sent by foreign companies.
10) In the majority of companies, it is stated in their regulations that no Muslims should apply for a job.
11) The Japanese government is of the opinion that Muslims are fundamentalist, and even in the era of globalization, they are not willing to change their Muslim laws.
12) Muslims cannot even rent a house in Japan.
13) If anyone comes to know that his neighbor is a Muslim then the whole neighborhood stays alert.
14) No one can start an Islamic cell or Arabic 'Madrasa' in Japan.
15) There is no Sharia law in Japan.
16) If a Japanese woman marries a Muslim, she is considered an outcast forever.
17) According to Mr. Kumiko Yagi, Professor of Arab/Islamic Studies at Tokyo University of Foreign Studies, "There is a mind frame in Japan that Islam is a very narrow-minded religion and one should stay away from it."
The Japanese might have lost the war, but they are in charge of their own country.
There are no bombs going off in crowded business centers, "Honor Killings", nor killing of innocent children or anyone else.
Something to think about.







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* Japan is a country....
nor killing of innocent children or anyone else.
Something to think about.


Well, if you don't count the Japanese citizens who have gone on stabbing rampages against school children at bus stops. But this is not related to tariff waivers so I will not comment further.





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Yeah, and if Apple doesn’t get these waivers, guess who’s really going to wind up paying for the higher tariffs.

Hope you’re planning on buying a cheaper armchair.
Then boycott, it’s the only way to change, the money given to the ceos must be halted.
 
There are no bombs going off in crowded business centers, "Honor Killings", nor killing of innocent children or anyone else.
Something to think about.


Since 2001, right wing extremists have been responsible for almost 3x the number of terrorist attacks in the U.S. versus Islamic extremists. So the first order of business in the United States if you supported banning people for public safety reasons should logically be right wing extremists.
 
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Yeah, and if Apple doesn’t get these waivers, guess who’s really going to wind up paying for the higher tariffs.

Hope you’re planning on buying a cheaper armchair.
And hope some off the rails (or should I say on the rails) sleazy corrupt grifter doesn’t wake up one morning and decide what’s really important today is increasing tariffs on armchairs.
 
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