Apple Shares Detailed Technical Overviews of Pro Display XDR and Mac Pro

[ksec]

Is there a Market for a Mac Pro Mini ( Or just the Mac ) ? Two Fan Design instead of three, Less PCI-Express Slot for Upgrade, Prosumer CPU without the ECC Memory Support.

And start with something more "affordable" like $2999.

Or a Smaller 5K ProXDR at 27".

 

[kwikdeth]

$6000 and you have to settle for shuffling lanes through a PCIe switch. Sad.

 

[Onelifenofear]

Gee Apple what camera out there has a default native format of ProRes. ( Zero? ).

Oh only
Every Arri camera,
RED Cameras
Sony cameras with the right board.
BlackMagic
Canon C700

And all these hundreds of products.

Apple ProRes and ProRes RAW Authorized Products - Apple Support (HK)

Learn about Apple ProRes and ProRes RAW authorized products.

support.apple.com

And quite a few more if you want to pay - Nikon Z6/7

Perceptually Prores 4444 is very little different to RAW footage and you don't need a to have a Professional DIT on set. you can capture on standard kit.
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$6000 and you have to settle for shuffling lanes through a PCIe switch. Sad.

Why? It's standard and allow MORE lanes and slots on the whole system. What would you be doing that would ever max out EVERY PCIE Slot in one go. EVEN 2x DUAL Vega 2s going at full pelt wouldn't max that out.

Also blame Intel and AMD for not going as fast as your untenable expectations. Maybe you want Infinite bandwidth?

 

[Onelifenofear]

Is there a Market for a Mac Pro Mini ( Or just the Mac ) ? Two Fan Design instead of three, Less PCI-Express Slot for Upgrade, Prosumer CPU without the ECC Memory Support.

And start with something more "affordable" like $2999.

Or a Smaller 5K ProXDR at 27".

Totally. A "Mac with4 PCIE slots" and i9 or Threadripper ( if the rumours are true ) are all a lot of people want or need. Coders and Photographers, illustrators and even motion graphics people don't need a Mac Pro. It's overkill. But what amounts to a powerful gaming PC is fine.

And the monitor is overkill for anyone other than video editors and colourists - and iMac Pro screen in a box at $1500 is the answer. The issue is that monitors are now a commodity item and you can get pretty reasonable ones like LG 4K for $500

 

[x-evil-x]

in a year or two apple updates the display to have mini led and charges 1000$ more for it. Should be on this release imo. Full array for that price isn't enough. Really needs a much higher backlit separation for real HDR and contrast.

 

[H2SO4]

99.999% of those commenting in thread don’t own one neither can afford one. Nice thread though

I don't own one, (don't want it as it's not worth it to me), but I can afford it.
As it stands there are 33 posts here. I'm one in 33 so about 3%.
That puts you wrong by a factor of about 300,000?

 

[bsbeamer]

Don't own one (yet) and waiting for W5700X pricing to be announced/released and available before making a final decision. I refuse to purchase RX580-based machines in 2020. If the pricing is horrendous, or it will be delayed beyond April 2020, likely will seriously consider upgraded iMac/Pro options.

 

[H2SO4]

Oh only
Every Arri camera,
RED Cameras
Sony cameras with the right board.
BlackMagic
Canon C700

And all these hundreds of products.

Apple ProRes and ProRes RAW Authorized Products - Apple Support (HK)

Learn about Apple ProRes and ProRes RAW authorized products.

support.apple.com

And quite a few more if you want to pay - Nikon Z6/7

Perceptually Prores 4444 is very little different to RAW footage and you don't need a to have a Professional DIT on set. you can capture on standard kit.
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Why? It's standard and allow MORE lanes and slots on the whole system. What would you be doing that would ever max out EVERY PCIE Slot in one go. EVEN 2x DUAL Vega 2s going at full pelt wouldn't max that out.

Also blame Intel and AMD for not going as fast as your untenable expectations. Maybe you want Infinite bandwidth?

Agree with all of what you said except the last part. You can't blame intel for that speed. Only Apple, they made the product.

 

[Hexley]

I don't own one, (don't want it as it's not worth it to me), but I can afford it.
As it stands there are 33 posts here. I'm one in 33 so about 3%.
That puts you wrong by a factor of about 300,000?

On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog

 

[H2SO4]

On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog

Maybe it's me but I'm not sure what your post means.

 

[69Mustang]

There are missing words and grammatical errors throughout this document. The Catalina section on refinements decidedly lacks refinement. It repeats the same sentences slightly differently. Did no one proofread this?

So...who loves to use these Catalina apps every day?

That's pretty hard to read. I've seen it often when people who are experts in a specific area try to convey that knowledge in written form. They tend to be not as grammatically proficient. I agree that proofreading was not high on the list of priorities. That's not the biggest crime in these white papers imo. The biggest crime is the writing seems to be very, very heavily influenced by the marketing department. It's hard to enjoy the technical details when having to fight through all the florid language. It's like they tried to publish a mashup of a scientific document and an advertisement. I'm happy the papers exist. It's always nice to get a more detailed view of the tech. Overall, a decent read. The papers could have been much better without the back-patting marketing angle. Heck, even suuuuuuuuper pro-Apple site Appleinsider described the intro as "platitude-laced".

 

[George Dawes]

Lovely bit of kit

I had a 2006 one and it was probably the best mac I ever had

 

[Craigwilliam]

0 mentions of NVIDIA, sadly.

Don't hold your breath on that, it's not going to happen any time soon or in the near future by the sounds of things.

 

[nylonsteel]

looks like a cool machine
more power to those who can afford and use one

 

[Hexley]

Maybe it's me but I'm not sure what your post means.

And that's the problem. You dont get it.

 

[citysnaps]

And the monitor is overkill for anyone other than video editors and colourists - and iMac Pro screen in a box at $1500 is the answer. The issue is that monitors are now a commodity item and you can get pretty reasonable ones like LG 4K for $500

You forgot to mention people that want more than 4K/5K.

 

[MiG007]

Longer cables are coming, eventually:

Long, optical Thunderbolt 3 cables are coming soon | Appleinsider

Sonnet is teaming up with Archiware to demonstrate the first in a line of optical Thunderbolt 3 cables, allowing for high-speed data transfers across the protocol at long range.

iphone.appleinsider.com

Hopefully these new cables will last longer than the TB1/2 cables that last about 2 years. We have had four of them fail in that time frame. We joked that we were just renting them. Eventually we removed all optical extensions from our production environment and went with alternative layout involving USB and DisplayLink cables.

I'm told that it was a heat issue in that the original TB1/2 spec allowed thermal unloading and apparently TB3 does not. I can't verify this though.

 

[FasterQuieter]

Totally. A "Mac with4 PCIE slots" and i9 or Threadripper ( if the rumours are true ) are all a lot of people want or need. Coders and Photographers, illustrators and even motion graphics people don't need a Mac Pro. It's overkill. But what amounts to a powerful gaming PC is fine.

And the monitor is overkill for anyone other than video editors and colourists - and iMac Pro screen in a box at $1500 is the answer. The issue is that monitors are now a commodity item and you can get pretty reasonable ones like LG 4K for $500

People keep suggesting $1500 as an appropriate price for a solo 27" 5K iMac screen. These screens have been around for 6 years now. $1500 would be outrageous. These monitors are the successor to the 1440p 27" from LG. You could get one of those panels from Monoprice for $300. By now, there should be third party offerings of the 5K version for no more than $500. An Apple offering for any more than $1000 would be insulting. I don't understand what happened to this segment of the monitor market.

 

[citysnaps]

People keep suggesting $1500 as an appropriate price for a solo 27" 5K iMac screen. These screens have been around for 6 years now. $1500 would be outrageous. These monitors are the successor to the 1440p 27" from LG. You could get one of those panels from Monoprice for $300. By now, there should be third party offerings of the 5K version for no more than $500. An Apple offering for any more than $1000 would be insulting. I don't understand what happened to this segment of the monitor market.

Apple will not try to compete in the commodity market in that manner. That makes no sense.

Look to Dell, LG, HP, Monoprice, etc.

 

[Hexley]

You forgot to mention people that want more than 4K/5K.

I'd want a 32" iMac 6K when it comes out.

 

[H2SO4]

And that's the problem. You dont get it.

Then explain it.

 

[fuchsdh]

People keep suggesting $1500 as an appropriate price for a solo 27" 5K iMac screen. These screens have been around for 6 years now. $1500 would be outrageous. These monitors are the successor to the 1440p 27" from LG. You could get one of those panels from Monoprice for $300. By now, there should be third party offerings of the 5K version for no more than $500. An Apple offering for any more than $1000 would be insulting. I don't understand what happened to this segment of the monitor market.

But there isn't.

Why exactly, is an interesting question, but I'd wager part of the problem is that there are a number of non-commodity niches where display makers can make money, and those trend to very disparate use cases. I'd love a responsive, high-density, high refresh rate, HDR-capable display—but those basically don't exist. 5K monitors themselves remain pretty niche, especially at retina resolutions.

 

[Pablo.A.Pucci]

why invest $6500 Plus in this when as early as 2021 APPLE will be switching processors from Intel to it's own chip?
Thats called BATE and SWITCH marketing tactics
I'm staying with Intel. No way am I investing in all new software
Good LUCK Apple
Windows 10 here I come.

Apple Plans to Sell Mac with Apple-Designed Processor in 2021: Analyst

Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo wrote that Apple products coming out over the next 12-18 months will use a new Apple-designed 5 nanometer chip.

www.thestreet.com

1) The Mac Pro won't use Apple processors, just some laptops, and we don't even know which ones.
2) The software will be usable

 

[jayducharme]

I'm surprised Apple didn't charge an additional $499 to download the PDFs.

Is there a Market for a Mac Pro Mini

I think that was the intent behind the hi-end 2018 Mac Mini. It was focused on the pro (or prosumer) market. It's an okay machine, but they really should have had an option for a better internal GPU. I'm finding that an eGPU just doesn't cut it.

 

[Hexley]

I'm surprised Apple didn't charge an additional $499 to download the PDFs.



I think that was the intent behind the hi-end 2018 Mac Mini. It was focused on the pro (or prosumer) market. It's an okay machine, but they really should have had an option for a better internal GPU. I'm finding that an eGPU just doesn't cut it.

With how often the Mac mini gets update, in terms of volume sold, it appears to be the 2nd least possible Mac out there after the Mac Pro.

The more frequent a Mac gets updated the more units it probably sells.

This isn't surprising as end users tend to buy more laptops than desktops these days and tend to keep all these Macs for 5-6 years.