It failed. People have dissected the video with a lot of scrutiny, you can see that it tries to read his face twice and fails. Did you really think Apple would come out and admit it?
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Apple Shares In-Depth Security Info on Face ID in New White Paper and Support Doc
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It failed. People have dissected the video with a lot of scrutiny, you can see that it tries to read his face twice and fails. Did you really think Apple would come out and admit it?
Incorrect. This video is conflating two different things. I suggest you rewatch what your posting.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/14/apple-face-id-didnt-fail-keynote/amp/
No it isn't. I have a hi res camera at home looking at my dining/living room. I have seen people type in their security code for their phone. If I hadn't told them (and pointed out the camera) they wouldn't have known. Depending on distance and angle I may not be able to read the numbers but I can get which row and column in many cases, which is good enough. This isn't theoretical for me. I have told guests about the camera and also told them to be more careful unlocking, and to change their passcode but most don't.You kind of proving my point with your response. The way you put it, it looks much harder to unlock my iPhone 6, 6s or 7 than iPhone X with Face ID
unlike touchID, the truedepth camera has more uses than one and plenty of untapped potential.
This is what your original quote quoted:
"It also fails if youre Craig during a keynote."
Which is an accurate in itself, because it didn't fail on Craig, The actual demo did. They're two different things that you and others are conflating. It reverted back to passcode exactly as it intended to, regardless if It didn't go accordingly. But that doesn't mean Face ID failed, wouldn't allow him access because of the prior attempts. That's not a fail, that's called a fail safe.
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"When Face ID is enabled, the device immediately locks when the side button is pressed, and the device locks every time it goes to sleep. Face ID requires a facial match—or optionally the passcode—at every wake."
It sounds like you’ll have to put the password in a lot. I hate doing that.
i'm pretty sure touchID has the same conditions.
He’s Right?
After 6,5 days and 4 hours of sleep both are met.
For the first, sorry but in most cases devices are used by a single person. This has always been Apple's stance which is why they don't support multiple profiles. Generally a single phone number is used by a single person and each person has their own device.
There might be some cases where multiple people share the same device but they make up such a small fraction of the people using it that it's not worth the time and effort. Remember Apple makes products for the 99%, rather than the 0.1% of users.
As for the second, it's no different than if someone uses the passcode to unlock a TouchID phone. It doesn't suddenly only recognize the fingerprint of the person that just unlocked it. In the same way, even if someone else uses the passcode to unlock your iPhone X, it's not as if it'll automatically run the FaceID setup and switch to just recognizing them.
Am I the only one who read this line?
"If there is a major change in appearance, like the disappearance of a full beard or a significant haircut, Apple will require a passcode and then update the stored facial data accordingly once your identity is confirmed."
So your telling me you'll have to do the facial recognition setup often?
"If there is a major change in appearance, like the disappearance of a full beard or a significant haircut, Apple will require a passcode and then update the stored facial data accordingly once your identity is confirmed."
So your telling me you'll have to do the facial recognition setup often?
You kind of proving my point with your response. The way you put it, it looks much harder to unlock my iPhone 6, 6s or 7 than iPhone X with Face ID
If you feel that way then don't buy the iPhone X or just don't enable FaceID. No one is forcing you to do either of those things.
He could've avoided it by testing it before going on stage. It's that simple, try it right before you walk out, and if it fails, pull the backup out.
It did not fail. If it did fail you would have seen the shake thing, indicating face was not recognised. But it asked for password suggestion it had defected unknown faces before. This have been explained and for anyone who knows how Touch ID works is understandable but you will still get the ignorant ones thinking it did fail.
I don't recall expressing a feeling of being forced.. Also I believe I already said in my post that I was "gonna sit this one out", but thank you for the advice..
https://www.cultofmac.com/476223/iphone-8s-biggest-bottleneck-touch-id-glass/
https://www.imore.com/why-apple-might-have-put-touch-id-back-iphone-8
http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...-incorporate-under-glass-touch-id-in-iphone-8
There have been tons of articles on why Apple didn't include Touch ID under the glass, above is just a few from a quick search. You can't just say "Not true" to a statement without some kind of explanation.
You have to swipe up after the phone recognizes your face to fully open it. You can look at the time and your phone will go back to sleep, locked, if your don't swipe to complete the opening to go to the home screen.
In your second scenario just close your eyes and/ or look away. You don't have to cover your whole face.
We will know more about how unwieldy this all is soon enough.
Just because I am defending the concept doesn't mean that I automatically accept the reliability of the system. As I said earlier I can come up with scenarios where Face id would fail, just as you can come up with situations where Touch ID fails: you're wearing work gloves, you're hands are wet, greasy, oily or dirty, etc. Those are all real situations that defeat Touch ID and they all have happened to users. But they are also the exception and not the rule to how reliable Touch ID is.
I want to know how reliable Face ID ends up being and how often I do something that makes it not open the phone. If it reads other peoples faces often enough to lock -which IS what it's supposed to do when it detects a face within range that isn't the owners -then Touch ID is more reliable for me.
I want to know how reliable Face ID ends up being and how often I do something that makes it not open the phone. If it reads other peoples faces often enough to lock -which IS what it's supposed to do when it detects a face within range that isn't the owners -then Touch ID is more reliable for me.
This won’t stop ignorant big mouths like Al Franken, who somehow have established themselves in a powerful political position w/ regards to cyber security... a field which he literally knows less than nothing about!
Lol, it was cringingly embarrassing reading his “open letter” to Apple, concerning FaceID... in describing the technology, he states his belief that iPhones will have precise 3D models of ones face, that will then be able to be accessed remotely & there’s a chance of a hacker database being built, of perfect replicas of people’s faces.
What a nincompoop!
Hasn’t it been like five years since these “concerns” were raised about TouchID??
By now, even someone with a passing curiosity & the most basic understanding of technology could find out in 5 minutes, via Google, that actually a copy of your fingerprint is NEVER stored on an iPhone... rather, a map of random data points & their distance from each other, etc. so that the phone can see if it’s you without having a “photo” of your fingerprint.
Common sense would tell you (then Craig would even tell you again!) that this works similarly...
Lol, it was cringingly embarrassing reading his “open letter” to Apple, concerning FaceID... in describing the technology, he states his belief that iPhones will have precise 3D models of ones face, that will then be able to be accessed remotely & there’s a chance of a hacker database being built, of perfect replicas of people’s faces.
What a nincompoop!
Hasn’t it been like five years since these “concerns” were raised about TouchID??
By now, even someone with a passing curiosity & the most basic understanding of technology could find out in 5 minutes, via Google, that actually a copy of your fingerprint is NEVER stored on an iPhone... rather, a map of random data points & their distance from each other, etc. so that the phone can see if it’s you without having a “photo” of your fingerprint.
Common sense would tell you (then Craig would even tell you again!) that this works similarly...
Regarding the text in bold. Would you expect anything other than that type of answer from a high ranking Apple executive talking to a (sycophantic) reporter whose livelihood is significantly tied to Apple access?
Not to say Federighi is lying, just that, even if they were planning to prioritize Touch ID under the glass, he'd dare not negatively impact the brand by admitting it.
No, the update happens automatically after you unlock the phone with the passcode. Pretty much as per the quote you quoted.
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That is all interesting and stuff, but why remove the TouchId option?
So you've used FaceID and can confirm it's subpar compared to TouchID? I didn't know the public had access to test FaceID yet! Can you please explain more about your experiences with FaceID? I'm really keen to hear what it's like, and you don't sound like the type of person who would judge a technology before you've used it
I'll never understand why people think they can "debunk" billions of dollars in security R&D with a 5-minute armchair analysis of a technology they have never used and don't fully understand. Yet, here we are.
No, no. It's telling you that it temporarily stores the facial scan, even for failures. If you successfully authenticate with your passcode very shortly after a failed facial scan, it will use the data from the failed scan to update the model it has for matching your face.
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All of those cite anonymous sources. Meanwhile, named, highly-placed sources from the company (namely, Craig Federighi) have said Touch ID was always the backup plan and was abandoned when they got Face ID working how they wanted. Without further evidence, named sources win.
Therefore, not true unless someone provides further evidence which beats a public statement from Craig.