Apple Shares Latest Transparency Report Outlining Government Data Requests From July 1 to December 31, 2017

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple today released its latest transparency report outlining government data requests for the second half of 2017, covering the dates between July 1 and December 31 [PDF].

    Apple's transparency reports are designed to provide customers with information on how many data-related requests it has received from law enforcement officials both in the United States and globally.

    In the United States, Apple received 4,450 requests for 15,168 devices and provided data 80 percent of the time (in 3,548 cases). Worldwide, Apple received a total of 29,718 requests covering 309,362 devices and provided data 79 percent of the time (in 23,445 cases).

    Apple received a similar number of requests in the United States and worldwide from July to December 2016, but the number of devices included in the total number of requests has doubled. Last year, Apple received 30,184 total requests covering 151,105 devices and complied with 72 percent of those requests.

    Data requests cover a wide range of circumstances, from instances where law enforcement agencies are working on behalf of customers who have asked for help locating lost or stolen devices to issues with credit card fraud to criminal investigations.

    In the United States, requests Apple receives can include subpoenas, court orders, search warrants, pen register/trap and trace orders, or wiretap orders.

    While Apple attempts to be as transparent as possible in these reports, the government does not allow the company to release specific details on the number of National Security requests received, instead requiring a number range to be provided to customers. Apple uses the narrowest range permissible by law.

    In the latest report, Apple says it received between 16,000 and 16,249 National Security Orders and provided data for 8,000 to 8,249 accounts. Apple did not report any declassified National Security letters. The number of National Security Orders Apple receives continues to grow and has more than doubled since the July-December 2016 report. Apple received a similar number of requests during the first half of 2017.


    In addition to the total number of device requests and National Security Orders, Apple also shares information on a range of other categories like financial identifier requests, government account requests, account preservation requests, emergency requests, and more, all of which can be viewed directly in the transparency report.

    Apple says that starting with its next report covering the second half of 2018, it will include details on when a government asks for an app to be removed from the App Store.

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    Article Link: Apple Shares Latest Transparency Report Outlining Government Data Requests From July 1 to December 31, 2017
  2. 69Mustang macrumors 604


    Jan 7, 2014
    In between a rock and a hard place
    These reports from big tech companies are an interesting read. Pretty sure Google, FB, MS and the like will be releasing their reports soon (if they already haven't). I wonder who gets the most request? I'd guess Google or FB, but I also guessed Samsung's damages payout would be reduced.:eek:
  3. WoodpeckerBaby macrumors 6502


    Aug 17, 2016
    It's time for Apple to adopt end-to-end encryption for iCould data now. That's the last bit of data they retain.
  4. now i see it macrumors 68040

    Jan 2, 2002
    Apple has already clearly stated in public that if you're concerned about your privacy, don't use iCloud for anything.
  5. ThisIsNotMe Suspended

    Aug 11, 2008
    And that is exactly how you end up with crappy legislation forcing companies to install back doors.
    The reality is that politics will always win out and all it takes is one incident to get enough political pressure to end up with overreaching legislation.
  6. Pakaku macrumors 68020


    Aug 29, 2009
    I suppose in that case of crappy legislation, I can understand Tim's desires to get so political these days
  7. iReality85 macrumors 6502a

    Apr 29, 2008
    This will probably be the unpopular opinion here, but I’m not bothered by government data requests, even if it’s at an increasing rate. If it keeps citizens and the general public safe, then I’m fine with that.

    I’m more okay with this than, say, all these private companies like FB and Google vacuuming up your personal data and then obfuscating and deflecting on the details of how your personal data is used, sold, interpreted, etc. At least attitudes toward that are changing.
  8. Tech198, May 25, 2018
    Last edited: May 25, 2018

    Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth
    For some reason i always found these updates ok, except what really matters on privacy and lack of disclose... as a big exception..

    Reason being, no company wants to break the law, but if u keep updating something you have total control over anyway, its not really helping YOU at all. slowly its giving more and more up to the law, while still saying Apple is still in front..

    That's is not privacy.

    You either have it all, and never hand anything over, or you don't. Zero exceptions.... (I probably wouldn't do well in business

    If you care about privacy, thee should be no exceptions ever... That's where i come from... But we crack under pressure when it comes to the law, and risking our necks and still have this constant term "We protect your privacy as the upmost importance"

    I can keep handing over more and more info., bit-by-bit as well as long as I keep standing strong about "protecting your privacy" when it comes to *anything at all, but i know its never going to be the truth.. because more is handed out. I just using the "privacy" reason as a cover.

    And yet, this is the situation most are in today.

    Probably good option. Before that even happens,its good for Apple to build its own secure icloud services..

    There is no point in end to end encryption, if the storage, is not done by Apple themselves.
  9. scoobydoo99 macrumors 6502a

    Mar 11, 2003
    so cal
    wow. over 16,000 "national security" requests? Police State run amok. The mouth breathers waving the flag and supporting the government will get what they deserve in the end. Too bad the rest of civilization will have to suffer as well.
  10. miniyou64 macrumors 6502


    Jul 8, 2008
    I’ll try to contain my frustration with this view and politely ask: why oh why would you ever be ok with an ever overreaching entity that has the power to ruin your life or lock you up on a whim with little oversight having access to your personal data over a company that simply wants to sell you things? How does that even compare?
  11. laz232 macrumors 6502

    Feb 4, 2016
    At a café near you
    Thank you for stating this -"with an ever overreaching entity that has the power to ruin your life or lock you up on a whim with little oversight" THIS is what is important.

    Reading Political Order and Political Decay - F Fukuyama. For a society to flourish requires both the availability of legal recourse and accountability of the government to the public. Government secrecy via NSL and other Patriot Act provisions etc remove these fundamental principles.
  12. MacBH928 macrumors 68030


    May 17, 2008
    Your problem is that you think this data will only be accessed by the gov. when something to do with a serious crime rises up. All these companies, including the all the gov. they operate under, including a lot of the employees of this company, not to mention data breaches and hackers can get your info and use it in any way they want including blackmailing you.

    Remember when celebrity photos leaked? yeah that kind of thing.

    A guy once said, if you have nothing to hide then give me all your accounts and email addresses with their passwords and give it to me and no body ever did.
  13. centauratlas macrumors 65816


    Jan 29, 2003
    The problem is that Tim’s favored political group is the one most in favor of government power. If he was involved for freedom instead of authoritarianism that would be one thing, but he’s all in favor of big government for everyone except Apple and taxes.

    The big government-authoritarian/socialist/fascist/communist crowd awlays thinks they’ll be in the 0.00001% who are out of reach of the power, when they’ll in reality be in the 99% most impacted by the loss of liberty.
  14. rezenclowd3 macrumors 6502a


    Sep 28, 2004
    Undoing the work of Priuses: burning gas & rubber
    Problem is, it doesn't keep anyone safe. It allows prosecution after the crime, as all laws only do.
  15. fairuz, May 26, 2018
    Last edited: May 26, 2018

    fairuz macrumors 68000


    Aug 27, 2017
    Silicon Valley
    Oh please no, they can't even do it right with iMessage. Glitches everywhere. I get super delayed messages or messages out of order, presumably because they're doing some weird P2P pub-sub thing instead of going through a server to mediate the chats.
    --- Post Merged, May 26, 2018 ---
    I'm ok with both as long as they aren't lying. You want your data secret? Don't give it to these entities that won't guarantee that. We benefit from Google's data collection whenever we use navigation and such, and we benefit from the govt busting credit card fraudsters.
  16. iReality85, May 26, 2018
    Last edited: May 26, 2018

    iReality85 macrumors 6502a

    Apr 29, 2008
    I think you read into my comment a little too much. I never said I was ok with government overreach. In fact, I’m for limited government. But I see nothing wrong with the government seeking information requests, and as we see these requests are not always 100% granted by the businesses in question.

    I don’t agree with backdoors either, but the truth is that companies like FB and Google specifically build backdoors. Heck, you don’t even have to be the government; insurance companies use accounts that bypass your privacy settings (i.e. FB) so they can look at your social media history.

    I could not disagree more with your comment about companies simply wanting to sell us things. That’s why I don’t and will never use a Google phone. You sacrifice all your privacy in the name of “free stuff.” For a typical Android user, Google knows when they get up, how far they drive to work, when they go shopping, how much they spend, and on and on and on. The sheer amount of information that Google knows about people was a huge story just a couple of months ago (although most articles were written by Android users who downloaded their personal data files).

    I’m not sure of the capabilities of the NSA (which I’m sure are vast), but I’m pretty sure Google and FB have a far better picture of you and your daily life than the government.

    Google listens in on everything you say and do all in the name of offering you free stuff, and people love it. The government at least needs a warrant to wiretap and spy on you.
  17. scoobydoo99 macrumors 6502a

    Mar 11, 2003
    so cal
    you don't really believe that, do you? Snowden sacrificed his freedom and future to educate you (and everyone), and the lesson fell on deaf ears.
  18. MacBH928 macrumors 68030


    May 17, 2008
  19. vvswarup macrumors 6502a

    Jul 21, 2010
    That political pressure will be there if the American people give in to fear after this incident and allow politicians to capitalize on that fear.

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