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Apple Shares Overview of Vision Pro's Privacy and Security Features

Even glancing scrutiny reveals potential issues.

Example: Vision makes an on the fly deep fake of you and then presents it to the world as a video stream indistinguishable from a web cam feed to the hardware involved.

I mean, think about that for a second. Just imagine what level of power that represents. And then ask yourself whether you trust ANY company not to use that power?
 
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I got my watch S9 from BB a few days back for $359 + tax. Called them now and asked if they would could do price match without me returning the watch and getting a new one. Got it done in 5 minutes and $20+tax back. Easy-peasy.
 
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Black Tiger said:
12 cameras connected to the internet. If you use this gadget, assume that anyone anywhere can probably find a way to view your surroundings. An excellent opportunity for burglars to case your house before they rob it. But I’m sure that would never happen. Because if a tech company says you have privacy, it must be true right? With its high price tag, it helps criminals easily identify people with cash to burn.
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No, it would never happen because there are far better ways to get this information. I’d bet that in most cases, just pretend to be authorities or HOA and say they need to send their blueprints to the following email address and, done. All without having to wait for them to attain the money and desire to purchase an expensive headset.

For every esoteric privacy concern, there are literally thousands of better ways to get information that ne’er do wells are ACTUALLY using. :)
 
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Oh I totally agree. If there were multiple user logins on iPad, we'd not be the 3-iPad family we are. I get it.
Still, as a consumer and father of two, my wallet would prefer a fast user switching on iPad option than not. 😜
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I’ve seen what kids do to iPads. Heck I’ve seen what other adults do to iPads. I’d guess most folks would still have multiple iPads (far easier than trying to extract it from the hands of the person currently using it for THEIR consumption).
 
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No, it would never happen because there are far better ways to get this information. I’d bet that in most cases, just pretend to be authorities or HOA and say they need to send their blueprints to the following email address and, done. All without having to wait for them to attain the money and desire to purchase an expensive headset.

For every esoteric privacy concern, there are literally thousands of better ways to get information that ne’er do wells are ACTUALLY using. :)
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… a head set that makes a 3D map of your home’s interior and everything in it. I’m not saying that anything nefarious will happen but it’s certainly something to think about. That’s very valuable data.
 
Surf Monkey said:
… a head set that makes a 3D map of your home’s interior and everything in it. I’m not saying that anything nefarious will happen but it’s certainly something to think about. That’s very valuable data.
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Yeah, but there are 100% more effective ways of doing it. People that are successful criminals aren’t using whatever edge case security folks can imagine. They’re using the tried and true methods that, in most cases don’t even require high end tech. There are people scanning and uploading their houses to real estate websites… For a criminal, checking a website is going to be FAR easier than trying to get unfettered access to their local network, then access to their devices then wait for anyone using that device to go into EVERY room of their house looking at every corner… the path of least resistance will always be the way.
 
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Yeah, but there are 100% more effective ways of doing it. People that are successful criminals aren’t using whatever edge case security folks can imagine. They’re using the tried and true methods that, in most cases don’t even require high end tech. There are people scanning and uploading their houses to real estate websites… For a criminal, checking a website is going to be FAR easier than trying to get unfettered access to their local network, then access to their devices then wait for anyone using that device to go into EVERY room of their house looking at every corner… the path of least resistance will always be the way.
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Okay. Well, there are 100% more efficient ways to do everything the Vision does. The fact that these other ways exist doesn’t cause the Vision to disappear. The fact that there are many ways to rip people off and or monetize their behavior, attention, the layout of their home etc. doesn’t mean that every single one of them won’t be used. I’m sure you can see the value these things have to marketers at the very least.
 
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Surf Monkey said:
I know exactly what I means. Go listen to the Verge’s review of the device. They discuss this exact thing.
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In no way is what the Apple Vision Pro produces “not able to be identified as different or distinct.” And then consider, there are folks that have been trying, in earnest, to create images that are indistinguishable from people when in motion. Folks that have had hours/years of time to tweak the output and re-render in any conceivable way. Still, nothing leaves the uncanny valley.
 
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Black Tiger said:
12 cameras connected to the internet. If you use this gadget, assume that anyone anywhere can probably find a way to view your surroundings. An excellent opportunity for burglars to case your house before they rob it. But I’m sure that would never happen. Because if a tech company says you have privacy, it must be true right? With its high price tag, it helps criminals easily identify people with cash to burn.
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It would be a huge scandal if a way was found to get unauthorized access to cameras on an Apple device. Your local burglar is not going to figure out how to do this before it's international news. Unless you are a major politician or a billionaire, no one is going to waste a secret exploit on you. Exploits are much more valuable than anything they could steal from you by using it..
 
Surf Monkey said:
Like how people just don’t use Facebook? Or don’t use X?

Reductionism is easy but it never tells the whole story.
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Right, it’s not hard for folks that don’t trust them to not use them. “I distrust this thing but I use it” is an odd statement. Actually, if someone’s goal is “I want a lot of people to know who I am, regardless” then maybe it makes sense?
 
Surf Monkey said:
“Before you interact with content.”

Interesting and critical qualification.
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Yes, an application needs to know what you are looking at to be able to process the interaction (the pinch gesture or alternative method). But the app can't get a feed of everywhere your eyes are looking, whether before, after, or outside of an click action.
 
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It would be a huge scandal if a way was found to get unauthorized access to cameras on an Apple device. Your local burglar is not going to figure out how to do this before it's international news. Unless you are a major politician or a billionaire, no one is going to waste a secret exploit on you. Exploits are much more valuable than anything they could steal from you by using it..
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Marketers. Forget burglars. Marketers can use that data in far more insidious ways and it won’t make a single ripple in the news.
 
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In no way is what the Apple Vision Pro produces “not able to be identified as different or distinct.” And then consider, there are folks that have been trying, in earnest, to create images that are indistinguishable from people when in motion. Folks that have had hours/years of time to tweak the output and re-render in any conceivable way. Still, nothing leaves the uncanny valley.
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When you’re on a video conference the feed coming off the VP is a web cam feed, just like having a cam on your desktop. Except it’s a deep fake of you. I’m not talking about whether a PERSON can tell the difference. I specifically said the HARDWARE sees no difference. The fidelity of the image isn’t especially relevant since Apple will no doubt fine tune it far beyond what we see today.

Seriously. Go listen to the review. They explain this in detail.
 
Surf Monkey said:
Okay. Well, there are 100% more efficient ways to do everything the Vision does. The fact that these other ways exist doesn’t cause the Vision to disappear. The fact that there are many ways to rip people off and or monetize their behavior, attention, the layout of their home etc. doesn’t mean that every single one of them won’t be used. I’m sure you can see the value these things have to marketers at the very least.
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But… the thing is… it DOES mean that the vast majority of them won’t be used. Looking over someone’s shoulder to see their PIN then steal their phone when they idly set it down? Been done, over and over. Using someone’s fingerprint to break into a Touch-ID phone? No, and not even because it’s impossible. In controlled lab conditions, folks have shown how that AND Face-ID have been defeated. But, understanding all the variables they had to control to FORCE it to work, it’s very unlikely that it will ever be done. I’m sure there’s an XKCD about this. :)
 
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But… the thing is… it DOES mean that the vast majority of them won’t be used. Looking over someone’s shoulder to see their PIN then steal their phone when they idly set it down? Been done, over and over. Using someone’s fingerprint to break into a Touch-ID phone? No, and not even because it’s impossible. In controlled lab conditions, folks have shown how that AND Face-ID have been defeated. But, understanding all the variables they had to control to FORCE it to work, it’s very unlikely that it will ever be done. I’m sure there’s an XKCD about this. :)
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Apple can collect the data. Extremely valuable data. But they’re just going to leave all that money on the table. Sure they are.
 
Good to see the various privacy policies. Just like any other Apple device, privacy takes center stage.
 
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Surf Monkey said:
Apple can collect the data. Extremely valuable data. But they’re just going to leave all that money on the table. Sure they are.
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You’re confusing this for a Facebook or Google backed device. Apple make it very clear that you’re not the product, the product is their hardware and their services. And yes they are leaving money on the table - but selling your data is not how Apple make their gigantic cash reserves. It’s their main point of difference and would seriously undermine public trust if it were found not to be the case. Even Microsoft can’t leave that money on the table - get ready for adverts coming to a Windows login screen in the very near future.
 
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