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Not true at all. Vega destroy 1080 ti even with the old beta bugged and slow drivers
http://barefeats.com/early_vega.html
Anyway Nvidia drivers for macOS are terrible and especially not stable

Well it beats it in some tests, yes, but if you actually read that test report, it also says:

The RX Vega 64 is a power hog. Anandtech reported that the Vega 64 consumed 150W more than the GTX 1080 which is considered its direct competitor. It also consumed more than the GTX 1080 Ti.

And suddenly the test you linked to seems very unimpressive overall. The RX Vega 64 is a little bit better in some tests, but at the cost of 150W more power usage than the GTX 1080. Not very nice...
 
No Nvidia support because nvidia drivers suck and always have sucked. They never really supported OpenCL, drivers are closed sourced and when Apple did use their GPUs they barely got any driver support from them.

AMD has open source drivers, always supported OpenGL/OpenCL so their drivers worked well with the corresponding Apple implementations.
 
And suddenly the test you linked to seems very unimpressive overall. The RX Vega 64 is a little bit better in some tests, but at the cost of 150W more power usage than the GTX 1080. Not very nice...
So? Electricity is cheap. Doesn't phase me at all. I leave a PC running 24/7/365 and have for years. Serving plex, bitcoin mining, etc. Doesn't do anything to my electric bill.
 
So? Electricity is cheap. Doesn't phase me at all. I leave a PC running 24/7/365 and have for years. Serving plex, bitcoin mining, etc. Doesn't do anything to my electric bill.

So? Really? 150W difference in efficiency is huge for about the same performance.
150W in more heat is also gonna make your eGPU box noticeably more noisy than if it consumed 150W less! It's gonna make a huge difference in noise levels actually. But who cares? Just turn up the volumes on your headphones right? Pump the bass a little more and it's all good.
 
So? Really? 150W difference in efficiency is huge for about the same performance.
150W in more heat is also gonna make your eGPU box noticeably more noisy than if it consumed 150W less! It's gonna make a huge difference in noise levels actually. But who cares? Just turn up the volumes on your headphones right? Pump the bass a little more and it's all good.
Yeah still doesn't bother me. I'll just put the box under the desk if it's an issue. FYI, I don't use headphones. Hate wearing them.
 
Totally untrue. AMD now beats Nvidia in many ways: eGPU support, macOS drivers especially Metal and OpenCL completely destroy Nvidia which Mac drivers are becoming a joke. Vega architecture is awesome.
And beside this it is Nvidia fault, also when they understood they are far behind, announced eGPU "support" partner ship with infamous software thief BizonBox for overpriced, unofficial, hacked eGPU. Nice Nvidia....
Yeah, of course Nvidia sucks on the platform that doesn't support it whatsoever.
Also... CUDA.
 
I'm using my RX 580 8GB right now in a Sonnet Breakaway developer eGPU box and it's truly awesome what Apple has done with 10.13.4. I've been using the box since November but it's not until today that true plug and play has worked and there have been a lot of hard crashes with eGPUs on macOS up until now. Happy days. Loving the huge performance boost to GPU 3D rendering.
 
No Nvidia support because nvidia drivers suck and always have sucked. They never really supported OpenCL, drivers are closed sourced and when Apple did use their GPUs they barely got any driver support from them.

AMD has open source drivers, always supported OpenGL/OpenCL so their drivers worked well with the corresponding Apple implementations.
This. Nvidia is closed. I hate them for that, and so does Torvalds. But I still use their cards, lol
 
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Totally untrue. AMD now beats Nvidia in many ways: eGPU support, macOS drivers especially Metal and OpenCL completely destroy Nvidia which Mac drivers are becoming a joke. Vega architecture is awesome.
And beside this it is Nvidia fault, also when they understood they are far behind, announced eGPU "support" partner ship with infamous software thief BizonBox for overpriced, unofficial, hacked eGPU. Nice Nvidia....
So please explain to me how AMD gpu's are better than Nvidia's offerings? Please show me where the testings are in favor of the Vega 64, instead of the GTX 1080 (or 1080 TI). In the BIG scheme of things, the majority of these GPU's are sold to customers that use Windows. The best drivers you can get for these devices will be on Windows. Nvidia dominates AMD in the GPU world. Nvidia is 85.3% compared to AMD 8.91% of marketshare according to Steam. Link

Just because Apple doesn't support Nvidia, does not make AMD > Nvidia. Many users on this very forum boot into windows to play games. This is because of how poorly games run in MacOS vs Windows.
 
NVidia decides to not support OpenCL and Metal well, then they get cut. That’s on them.
Nvidia does support OpenCL, I think Metal too. If we're pointing fingers, Apple is definitely the biggest offender in the GPU space. They've had ridiculously tight control forever, and for that reason nobody uses Macs for graphics-intensive tasks, so ofc Nvidia won't bother making drivers. And Apple still doesn't support OpenGL properly; they want everyone to use their proprietary Metal APIs.
 
Vega 64 barely matches GTX 1080. (Even my PC has a 1080 Ti, full disclosure.) We are still waiting for Nvidia driver for 10.13.4

I have been saying this. I am not sure why some believe that the Vega 64 is better than the Gtx 1080 (or the 1080 TI) for that matter. Maybe in raw compute, but that's about it. For gaming and benchmarks, the GTX 1080 beats the 64 in several instances.

Sure, that's fine. But that doesn't mean the Vega 64 is a bad card. It just might be overpriced for the performance you get versus a 1080 or 1080 Ti (IMO).
 
Nvidia does support OpenCL, I think Metal too. If we're pointing fingers, Apple is definitely the biggest offender in the GPU space. They've had ridiculously tight control forever, and for that reason nobody uses Macs for graphics-intensive tasks, so ofc Nvidia won't bother making drivers. And Apple still doesn't support OpenGL properly; they want everyone to use their proprietary Metal APIs.
Which is going to be their downfall. They are not willing to adapt to others standards. And after seeing what Nvidia recently announced, it would be foolish not to be supporting them at this point. Their RTX cards are going to be a huge hit when it comes to rendering.
 
Regardless of Nvidia vs AMD...

Once my PC is on it's last legs 5+ years from now, I now know I can finally fully embrace the Mac for my needs. Hopefully my games will run native by then, lol.
 
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No Nvidia cards?!? WHAT?!? I know Apple favors AMD GPUs but come on, Nvidia is the leader in the space.

Intel has a deal with AMD. Apple used to switch back and forth depending on what was the best choice at the time but it looks like AMD has given Apple more freedom than nVidia. The dGPUs they provide for the MBPs are more efficient than nVidia’s options although they are less powerful. It’s possible that nVidia will work with Apple to ensure support in future releases unless Apple has some sort of exclusivity deal with AMD. nVidia will definitely want to find some kind of workaround.
 
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Sure, that's fine. But that doesn't mean the Vega 64 is a bad card. It just might be overpriced for the performance you get versus a 1080 or 1080 Ti (IMO).
Vega 56/64 are not bad cards at all. Performance wise, they are pretty good. But after the RX4XX series cards, people were waiting on a high end card. Not one that would match performance from the previous gen R9 390X. A year later, they rehash the same cards with minor improvements for the Rx5XX series. And the hype surrounding Vega at the time seemed like it would be a 1080 TI killer, which was a let down for the price.

I will say that AMD is good at developing great drivers over time. It takes them some time, but their matured drivers do add a chunk of performance gains compared to launch drivers.
 
Regardless of Nvidia vs AMD...

Once my PC is on it's last legs 5+ years from now, I now know I can finally fully embrace the Mac for my needs. Hopefully my games will run native by then, lol.

This is just the infant stages of eGPU support on the Mac. I think we’ll see gaming finally become much more viable on the Mac in the coming years. This was always the reason why I stayed away from Macs despite preferring OS X for everything else. While gaming shouldn’t be the deciding factor when choosing a machine, it’s always nice if you have the ability to play the latest stuff especially when spending over $2k on a machine. MacOS is the superior OS. It’s basically Linux with proprietary software. Yes, I know there is a big difference between a closed and open source kernel.
 
Also, the problem with Vega cards was the lack of custom designs (I think they are some available now).

And the inflated Radeon prices and lack of stock in general.
 
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