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Apple Shifting to Intel Graphics for Future MacBooks and 13-Inch MacBook Pros?

Adidas Addict said:
You can't stand me? You don't know me, to generate these feelings from a few posts on an internet forum is more than a little odd:cool:



Time will tell I guess, but I'm not confident.
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There's no need to wait, dude. Read my previous post with benchmarks. Non-finished Sandy Bridge graphics were only 15% behind in performance to the 320m, and that's only if they were using a mobility ATI card in their benchmarks.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/11548797/
 
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asdf542 said:
Google it so I don't have to waste my time, but here it is anyway:
http://lensfire.blogspot.com/2010/12/intel-sandy-bridge-will-support-opencl.html

Feel free to Google "Sandy Bridge OpenCL" for more results.
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Anything official from Intel has only said that that the Sandy Bridge processor core will support OpenCL 1.1. I have yet to see where they officially claim OpenCL support in the IGP.

Given that Apple seems intent on kowtowing to Intel, I'd be happy to be corrected.
 
Gag. Because the GMA 950 worked out so well for Apple? :rolleyes: I'd almost rather have the Core 2 Duo. You know Apple will shove an i3 in the 13" MBPs.
 
HLdan said:
I don't care what the use as long as the video playbacks are smooth.
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don't know about Mac's, but on my i5 Lenovo with flash 10.2 beta i can watch youtube videos in 720p in full screen and my laptop feels cold and the CPU never goes above the teens
 
asdf542 said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20016302-64.html

Do you want me to Google for you some more? :rolleyes:
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Thomas Piazza, an Intel fellow and director of graphics architecture for the Intel Architecture Group, said that Sandy Bridge-based chips in their current implementation will not support DirectX 11, a Microsoft technology for accelerating multimedia and games. Currently, Sandy Bridge supports DirectX 10.1 and OpenCL 1.1--the latter used on Apple's Mac operating systems, according to Piazza. Certain graphics chips from Advanced Micro Devices' ATI unit and Nvidia already support DirectX 11.
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Sorry if I'm being overly daft today, but I don't see where he specifically mentions IGP-based OpenCL support. Nor do I see it in the screenshots of the slidedeck.
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! DON'T DO IT APPLE! DON'T YOU DARE! :mad: :(
I'd rather stick with core2duo or just simply move to AMD/ATI.
 
John.B said:
Sorry if I'm being overly daft today, but I don't see where he specifically mentions IGP-based OpenCL support. Nor do I see it in the screenshots of the slidedeck.
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I guess it's not explicit, but it is implied given he is the director of graphics, the article is about the IGP, and it's talked about in context of DirectX which is a GPU standard.
 
TMRaven said:
The benchmarks for the integrated hd graphics in sandybridge shows their performance to be right around 320m and 9400m. Good move on apple's part.
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Unbelievable. Really astonishing. 2 year old performance in an upcoming product. The mind boggles.
 
does this indicate the refresh is sooner than later? since people were saying if they wanted to benefit from that settlement it would've taken until later spring to get a new MBP line out
 
res1233 said:
I'm sorry, but i can't stand people who use the past to prove what will happen in the future. It just doesn't work that way. I'm sure intel knows as well as anyone how terrible their GPUs are, and apple refusing to use them probably helped a lot. Please post a link of these rumored "benchmarks" too, assuming they're from a reliable source. All the reliable benchmarks I've seen have proven how terrible intel graphics are. But like i said, this new GPU should be competitive with at least the 9400m, and maybe the 320m.
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stop being so gullible, if its white liquid in a glass its probably milk.:rolleyes:
 
All this talk about Intel's GPU in Sandy Bridge being bad for gamers...

...since I don't play high end games... and can't understand why anyone who does choses a mac in the first place... SB must be a good thing for people like me who actually do real "work" with their stuff. :D

Can's wait for 12 hour battery life, faster clock cycles...
 
@ everyone who has criticized Intel IGPs:

Go search Anandtech. Anand did a thorough analysis of Sandy Bridge IGP capabilities and determined that they were more than enough for typical users. Roughly comparable to the 320Ms that are in MacBooks now, if not quite as powerful as the nVidia integrated options that are on the roadmap for H1 2011 when Sandy Bridge will become popular.
 
res1233 said:
Apple never has in the past taken shortcuts just to reduce the price, and i doubt they'll start now. The sandybridge processor + a competitive integrated graphics solution from intel, is most likely going to perform better overall than the core2 duo plus nvidia graphics, so i imagine this will be a step up in performance. Remember, the GPU isn't all that matters, and the Core2 Duo is a rather old chip at this point.
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You obviously don't remember when iPods came with wired remote, with volume and playback buttons on them, or when iPods came with a dock, and a little bag to keep it in. You probably also don't recall when Macbook's came with DVI to VGA adapters, remote controls, and macs came with a cloth to wipe the screen.

It's not like Apple hasn't added BTO CPU upgrades, months after the CPU came out but right after the CPU price dropped. Oh wait, they have. They're also the company that insisted in offering 2gb of RAM in their computers for the longest time, and using 2 1gb chips to do it.
 
Intel video is pure crap. I don't care how well it "performs".

I wouldn't even consider a Mac unless it had AMD or NVidia graphics.
 
Lets not jump to conclusions until Apple hardware ships.

asdf542 said:
Sandy Bridge Graphics perform on par with a 5450(I'm assuming it's mobile but they don't state that it is, so Sandy Bridge might be faster than the percentage below).
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We have to consider that the drivers reviewed here are not for Apple systems. Worst the review charts for most graphics tasks where rendered at the lowest setting. What we need are similar benchmarks for Apple hardware ran the way most people setup their computers.
320M scores 15% higher than the Mobility 5450 on 3D Mark 06. Keep in mind that the Sandy Bridge graphics aren't final hardware and neither are the drivers.
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They also are not Apple drivers.

All in all I get warm and fuzzy with respect to Sandy Bridge though I'm not convinced it makes sense in low end machines like the Mac Book. The article did indicate Intel is being real aggressive with pricing so maybe the processor is viable. In the past the norm was for Intel to grossly over price notebook capable processors at release.

The other thing that still bothers me is OpenCL support for which support is not clear. For some users OpenCL is huge.
 
Isn't performance the only thing that really counts?

Xenomorph said:
Intel video is pure crap. I don't care how well it "performs".

I wouldn't even consider a Mac unless it had AMD or NVidia graphics.
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I agree that in the past Intel GPU hardware was and still is crap. There really is no better word for it. However that doesn't mean that Intel can't learn from its mistakes.

Instead of living in the past consider adjusting your view based on real hardware and software reports when the hardware is released.
 
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