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Sorry, when these "kids" get into the real world they'll be asked if they can cut on a real platform, like Avid.

yeah, FPX is so fake. it can 'only' do 99-101% of what avid can do. what a waste of time, money, and use of talents. sure must suck for all those people who make triple digits per year using FPX. cause according to you, it isn't 'real'.
 
Today they showcase it tomorrow they kill it. I do not trust Apple that they are any serious about pro software anymore.

I think this is the best line of sight into the future.

A year ago I wanted a MacBook Pro, but then Apertuure was eliminated. I wasn't necessarily planning to hang my whole future on Aperture, but this is a lot more than some misplaced love of a mere single software title. It goes to the ready willingness of Apple to throw their users under the bus. I already have enough tire tracks across my belly, thank you very much!

So now I'm no longer craving the MBP quite so much. Burn your customers, and future customers start looking for a cooler climate.
 
nobody uses FCP X professionally, with the exception of this movie and one tv show. zero commercial houses. period. professional commercial/film/tv video editor here, freelancing in LA for the past 14 years. avid was the reigning beast for years, and slowly FCP crept in. as an early adopter, but user of both, I applauded as they encroached a 50% market share in post facilities. it was easy to use, and made timeline editing a snap. it just couldn't ever keep up with avid for projects that you had to share across servers with multiple editors simultaneously thanks to the bin structure. but for everything short form (commercials mainly) it was the best of the best. then X came out. and we limped along with 7, waiting for the day apple would wise up and bring along a 64bit version. that day, we are coming to accept, is never coming. all post houses are starting to finally dump 7 thanks to the lack of support and inability to keep up with modern cameras. it is still used, but backslid dramatically. the 50-60% of fcp houses reverted back to avid, and maybe 15% still use 7, while 25% now use premiere. i hated premiere, but in the stark void FCP left behind and Avid can't touch thanks to it's limited editing abilities and archaic design and functionality, premiere has leaped and bounded with significant improvements version after version. i have cried myself to sleep many a night over the inevitable death of fcp 7 thanks to X and i can finally stop, because there is finally a new future ready version of final cut out, and it is premiere CC2014. i have never seen anyone professional use X and i never will. congratulations apple, on killing the product that made me and many like me switch to using apple computers in the first place. enjoy your prosumers, because no professional editor will ever use you again.

you are probably a sony vegas user lol FCPX not being pro bwhahahahahahahhaha troll on. it has been used on many film sets that have multi million dollar budgets unlike your $20buck skateboard movie lol oh and it has been 64 bit from the start day one bwhahahahahahhahahaha Adobe premeire is used less for movies then FCPX but it is starting to make head way. AVID lead the pack in editing in user base, then it was FCP7 and then WAY behind it was Premiere, then FCPX. installed userbase of FCPX is now ahead of premiere but hey :)
 
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If FCPX is good for you workflow, you probably not working right

I assume it's good for their requirement because something in their workflow is not like other features.

Do you really want to tell me that just because they could move material between to location and the editing suites that make them chose this over other solutions?

It's like 'Gone Girl' that was edited on Adobe Premiere, obviously someone paid for the PR.;)
 
I think this is the best line of sight into the future.

A year ago I wanted a MacBook Pro, but then Apertuure was eliminated. I wasn't necessarily planning to hang my whole future on Aperture, but this is a lot more than some misplaced love of a mere single software title. It goes to the ready willingness of Apple to throw their users under the bus. I already have enough tire tracks across my belly, thank you very much!

So now I'm no longer craving the MBP quite so much. Burn your customers, and future customers start looking for a cooler climate.

Apple's secrecy is warranted when it comes to their consumer products, but I really think it kind of hurts them in the "pro" realm. It's the constant uncertainty that has had me questioning their commitment to this market. FCPX was a trainwreck at first, from the lack of features to the abandonment of FCP7. It has certainly come into its own, but at what cost? Same situation on the hardware end too. I have my own hang-ups with Avid, and to a lesser extent Premiere, but I do appreciate more of the openness those companies provide in this area.


The featured page on Apple's website was an interesting read, but I am still surprised that FCPX had not been used until now for a Hollywood film.

I'm not all that surprised. The introduction to FCPX was a mess at first, at least in the realm of higher end production. Also, consider it's still a fairly new platform. It's not like studios, post houses, etc. just adopt new workflows overnight. And even then, despite the strides FCP made in the industry, the amount of big Hollywood films cut on it was still a drop in the bucket compared to Avid.

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Adobe premeire is used less for movies then FCPX but it is starting to make head way.

Citation please. You're making **** up.
 
geez - you seem easy to work with :D

I'm as easy going as it gets, but if someone who's a "professional" is going to call me out in public in an emotional outburst it crosses the line. I get the job done at a high level and deliver the right stuff to everyone who needs it, there's no need for childish public tirades in ANY case.

The moral is that the results speak for themselves, people who rail against FCPX are living in the past, and its an UGLY look.
 
I've been editing professionally in LA for over 10 years, now exclusively trailers, and this guy, like it or not, is absolutely right. FCP 1-7 gained market share because it was a cost effective alternative to Avid. That's it. It took years (post v4) for it to stabilize as a software. Crashed all the time. And this coming from someone whose career only exists because of FCP.

Avid years ago dropped in price and is still used in most long form editing and at least half of the trailer houses. I was told FCPX has made more profit wise for Apple than ALL previous FCP versions combined and don't doubt it. But that's NOT because it's used by the majority of professional editors, it's because it caters to the much larger group of online content creators.

The reasons WHY FCPX doesn't fit into true professional work flows has been explained and discussed ad nauseam. The fact remains it has made ZERO impact on LA or NY top level post and at the end of the day requires too large a learning curve and workflow adjustment to merit any consideration. An editing system is only as good as the editor and editors here don't use it.

Again - obviously 'true professionals' only live in LA or NY!
 
There's no way professional films could be edited on Final Cut X. This is Will Smith's home movie, right?

The launch of FCPX was poorly handled but even in the early version I could see Apple were right in ditching old tape-based metaphors and once I'd got used to the workflow it was a joy to use.
 
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Anybody who thinks Apple is abandoning the pro market doesn't know Apple very well. Photography is a bigger pillar than video and audio put together. I'm excited to see what Apple has in store for the development of Photos into a professional work flow.

Apple has nothing - Proof: The piece of junk named Photos.app. Don't know hwat the guys at Apple are smoking, but it appears to be bad stuff...
 
But that's NOT because it's used by the majority of professional editors, it's because it caters to the much larger group of online content creators.

The reasons WHY FCPX doesn't fit into true professional work flows has been explained and discussed ad nauseam. The fact remains it has made ZERO impact on LA or NY top level post and at the end of the day requires too large a learning curve and workflow adjustment to merit any consideration. An editing system is only as good as the editor and editors here don't use it.

You make it sound as if online content is nothing. TV viewing figures are falling while people watch more and more online content. If FCPX has traction there that's hardly something to pooh-pooh.
 
Major films or commercial projects aren't apples target market.

It's the youtube, the amateur or the simpleton. That's great and will be installed on more systems as a result. It sure is suitable for major films but you can't expect one version to change everyone's opinion overnight.

There is a similar issue with logic pro x. The basic functionality is enhanced but there is push back from users of older versions when 99% of its main uses are unchanged.
 
nobody uses FCP X professionally

Not true.

It's used at Trim Editing (www.trimediting.com) by a lot of the editors on huge commercials. I used it to cut this www.hondatheotherside.com

here's a write up.
http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/art...-the-other-side-was-edited-in-final-cut-pro-x

We like it because it's the best editor we've ever used (coming from avid and Final Cut 7).

Here's load of other work cut on it.



My point is not to show off, but to demonstrate that the claim it's not used on big professional work is wholly untrue.

Cut with what you like. It's all about the quality of the work at the end of the day.
 
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what's the matter with iwork?
the new numbers is better than the old one.
how do you mean it's destroyed?

To tell you the truth, it's just Pages that's garbage. I'm guessing since a word processor is the most common app for most people, the associate the entire sweet with it.
 
This is impossible and clearly the article cannot be true. The experts on the forum have already announced that NO professionals are using FCP X. None.
 
Phew, they finally were able to pay someone to use their software for a movie! Final Cut X isn't used by nearly anyone. It used to be but they ruined it.

You obviously don't keep up with who's using it professionally do you?

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Major films or commercial projects aren't apples target market.

It's the youtube, the amateur or the simpleton. That's great and will be installed on more systems as a result. It sure is suitable for major films but you can't expect one version to change everyone's opinion overnight.

There is a similar issue with logic pro x. The basic functionality is enhanced but there is push back from users of older versions when 99% of its main uses are unchanged.

Would be nice if you educated yourself about the "truth" instead of ranting mindlessly. NBC/Universal is using it, BBC is using it, lots of big production houses are using it. As for Logic Pro x, lots of places use it, too. Lots of famous musicians love it.
 
To tell you the truth, it's just Pages that's garbage. I'm guessing since a word processor is the most common app for most people, the associate the entire sweet with it.

To tell you the truth, my wife and I run 3 major businesses on Pages, Number, Contacts, Calendar. And 50% of that office work is done in the field on iPads. We run businesses, serious business, I think Pages is wonderful, easy, fast, powerful, as is Numbers and the rest. Maybe you should learn how to use the app before you trash it.
 
Major films or commercial projects aren't apples target market.

It's the youtube, the amateur or the simpleton. That's great and will be installed on more systems as a result. It sure is suitable for major films but you can't expect one version to change everyone's opinion overnight.

There is a similar issue with logic pro x. The basic functionality is enhanced but there is push back from users of older versions when 99% of its main uses are unchanged.

That's ********. Logic Pro X since its inception opened old projects without complaining. And nothing fundamentally changed (and i literally mean nothing), they just fixed stability and added functionality, and there was about 90% less people complaining when LPX came out compared to FCPX.
 
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As an AVID editor, i do agree that Final Cut X has it's potential, but I never felt myself into it, I just could not focus on X.

The UI, much like Premiere, for me isn't clean enough: I want to focus on the video, have a well-organized Bins and have a responsive timeline that doesn't get in my way during the job. I found the X timeline very frustrating, the magnetic thing, the hard frame by frame cuts etc, scrolling hours of clips when sometimes you have nothing more than a Macbook screen.

Most of the times editing is not cool for all the amount of pressure, but it surely it's satisfying at the end of the day.

Before writing all my frustration and pleasure in editing in AVID, and also i do edit on FC7 and premiere on the fly, I've done a job for Mazda purely on FCX, and truly understood how important is that the program must suits your workflow and process of editing, and for me FCX actually does it only stylish, but not confortable.

Relaxed editors work better, harder, faster, and slimmier :apple:

By the way, I add a music video edited on FCX to add to some more i saw on top

 
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