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Apple said those photo's are not pure, I want to see every one of those photos directly from the lens with no extra processing. They are claiming that the camera can take amazing photos. Sure I could take a out of balanced photo and turn it into something pleasing as well. How many of those photos were retouched in some way.

I feel kind of cheated because of this. was looking at the photos thinking that wow, if these came right out of the iPhone glass and sensor just as is, thats some pretty darn good ballances and numbers right there.

reading that they were "touched up" before release is a let down. With modern software, it is amazing what you can do to even bad photos (have even fixed up some of my own). you can make crappy taken photos into passable, and nearly passable photos into works of 'art'

EVEN from a small sensor.

I feel like Apple is being disingienous here by posting up the editted photos and claiming thats what the iPhone's camera can do. its misleading, and almost false advertising
 
How many of the people complaining about post processing have actually looked at the photographs in the showcase?

There are MANY photographs listing only
App used: Camera

Without counting, it seems around half are only using Camera. Apps used: Camera, Instagram is also quite prevalent.
 
I feel kind of cheated because of this. was looking at the photos thinking that wow, if these came right out of the iPhone glass and sensor just as is, thats some pretty darn good ballances and numbers right there.

reading that they were "touched up" before release is a let down. With modern software, it is amazing what you can do to even bad photos (have even fixed up some of my own). you can make crappy taken photos into passable, and nearly passable photos into works of 'art'

EVEN from a small sensor.

I feel like Apple is being disingienous here by posting up the editted photos and claiming thats what the iPhone's camera can do. its misleading, and almost false advertising

That's how 50% of users actually create shots; retouching, or processing. So, how is it false advertising? That's actually what most users expect to get as an eventual output from their camera. Also, as others mentioned, a large number of the shots were actually done with just the camera.

IF you want more untouched photos, they're plenty of them. Apple even released some BEFORe the Iphone 6 launch; done by a professional photographer.

As for being able be able to create great shots from bad... Not if the subject, framing, focus, movement, etc is not what you want. You can't fix those things easily in post.
 
IF you want more untouched photos, they're plenty of them. Apple even released some BEFORe the Iphone 6 launch; done by a professional photographer.

Next goalpost shift: "But... but... Apple aren't showing what photos by everyday people look like! They need pros to make nice pics!! They are lying in my face!!!!" ;) :D
 
Sorry, but I still disagree.
Rather, to explain more exactly.

If the purpose of the image is just to "Show a great image" then by all means photoshop the hell out of it.

If the purpose is to demonstrate the quality of a piece of hardware, then leave the dam photo alone.

Or, come up with a set of acceptable adjustments that can be made.
For examples, only brightness and contrast have been adjusted and the image cropped.

Otherwise where are you going to draw the line?

How about I take say a LG, Samsung, Motorola photo, run Noise Ninja over it to make the sky nice and smooth, run other plugins to improve other aspects, adjust purple fringing, sort out the focus/sharpness in various areas.

Let's use the clone / repair tool to sort out areas.

Let a pro, like yourself spend a day on it, tearing the photo to bits, and then say.

"Wow look at the quality of the camera on the LG, Samsung, Motorola Phone"

Somehow I don't think many, if they knew you had done that would be best pleased.

So, no, sorry, I cannot agree than an uncontrolled amount of image manipulation, as you suggest. Is ok. Not by me anyway.

Unless, as I say you are not using the pictures to promote the hardware that took them.

Considering a big part of the photos here are actually only made with just the camera, which I guess you would know since you've seen them... Not sure what your talking about
 
Next goalpost shift: "But... but... Apple aren't showing what photos by everyday people look like! They need pros to make nice pics!! They are lying in my face!!!!" ;) :D

Are you calling these nice folk whiners?

I almost feel bad for the people who work on this campaign at Apple. There is really no way to please some people.

If they post unprocessed uninspiring photos taken by people who are drunk:
Awful photos. Anyone with a xzy phone can take better photos.

If they post photos by ordinary people:
Why bother. Show me something I haven't seen.

As they posted some nice photos by people who care about nice photos and has a bit of talent:
Oh my god. What are they trying to pull hiring some professional photographers.
 
Are you calling these nice folk whiners?

I almost feel bad for the people who work on this campaign at Apple. There is really no way to please some people.

If they post unprocessed uninspiring photos taken by people who are drunk:
Awful photos. Anyone with a xzy phone can take better photos.

If they post photos by ordinary people:
Why bother. Show me something I haven't seen.

As they posted some nice photos by people who care about nice photos and has a bit of talent:
Oh my god. What are they trying to pull hiring some professional photographers.

well, the question is, what is th campaign trying to showcase?

if they're trying to showcase the amazing quality photos of the iPhone6, it's a bit disingenuous to post process them in software outside of the iPhone itself.

now if they're just trying to showcase that you can use the phone to help create stunning pictures with the use of other tools, then fine, nothing wrong here.

really comes down to what they're trying to show off. If it's the hardware, then post processing is false advertising. If it's just that the tool gives you power from front to back, then its a good little promotion.

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Why would you want to shoot in raw on a device where you can't control the f-stop or shutter speed?!??

RAW includes more information per pixel than compressed JPG.

More than just the fstop and shutter speed.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/why_use_raw.html

further reading
 
Let me guess: what you can do with an iPhone 6 camera. Why would a marketing department limit itself to showing what its product can do under strict control environment where a lot of its users don't operate under that same strict environment, i.e.. no post processing.

Again, those photos were good, but not exemplary. I and a lot of people with some skills can do better without post processing.

One thing post processing does is to give its users the freedom to alter the image they way they find pleasing in their mind. It's like story telling: easier to make up one that's interesting.

On the other hand, under the right condition, I have capture images that were so good to me that post processing would only ruin them. Just like in real life, some stories are so good that you can't possibly make them up.

well, the question is, what is th campaign trying to showcase?

if they're trying to showcase the amazing quality photos of the iPhone6, it's a bit disingenuous to post process them in software outside of the iPhone itself.

now if they're just trying to showcase that you can use the phone to help create stunning pictures with the use of other tools, then fine, nothing wrong here.

really comes down to what they're trying to show off. If it's the hardware, then post processing is false advertising. If it's just that the tool gives you power from front to back, then its a good little promotion.

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RAW includes more information per pixel than compressed JPG.

More than just the fstop and shutter speed.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/why_use_raw.html

further reading
 
Apple needs to revert the changes they made to iOS 8, shots come out with way too much noise reduction! I wish they'd go back to the way iOS 7 shot pictures, perfect balance of noise reduction and sharpness! The following shot was taken on my 5S on iOS 7.x.x - I sometimes hate taking pictures with my 6 Plus now because of how *****ty they come out looking even with great lighting.....
 

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Unless specified otherwise, a lot of the shots in the campaign are using the built-in Camera apps (if I am not mistaken, FilterStorm are postprocessing app). Impressive results with just using the camera. It shows both the skill of the photographer and the technology that Apple uses for its phone camera.
 
Why would you want to shoot in raw on a device where you can't control the f-stop or shutter speed?!??

Well then let me control those things. Apple are good at innovating mobile technology. If they want me to love their camera, make it a good camera.
 
The iPhone camera is great imo, but this page doesn't reflect that. A lot of phones can take these kind of pictures with all the editing apps used.
Many didn't use any extra editing apps (Apple lists when they did).

But I think key for this kind of quality is well-lit shots. Pretty much all of them were taken in daylight. Still, very inspiring. They made me long for summer and photo trips!
 
can we get a thread just for photos taken on the 5c? I mean some of us haven't even had our phones for a year for the upgrade. its a little annoying to get the gear, and then get ousted from privilege.

at some point, apple, you might consider relaxing and letting us have our products awhile before zero'ing them out with manufacturer's obsolecence.
 
can we get a thread just for photos taken on the 5c? I mean some of us haven't even had our phones for a year for the upgrade. its a little annoying to get the gear, and then get ousted from privilege.

at some point, apple, you might consider relaxing and letting us have our products awhile before zero'ing them out with manufacturer's obsolecence.

I'm still using a 3GS (it works as good as the first day), so how is a phone released 4 years later obsolescent? Doesn't it do all that it could do the first day you bought it?
 
yes keirasplace, yes it does do exactly what it did the day I got it. it didn't ask for my fingerprints, and it didn't ask to pay for anything. its a good phone as it is. even if it doesn't have all the bells and whistles everyone else's has.

i would think your photos on the 3GS should be on the back of the new yorker, and on subway cars too. ;)
 
yes keirasplace, yes it does do exactly what it did the day I got it. it didn't ask for my fingerprints, and it didn't ask to pay for anything. its a good phone as it is. even if it doesn't have all the bells and whistles everyone else's has.

i would think your photos on the 3GS should be on the back of the new yorker, and on subway cars too. ;)

The 3GS has a terrible terrible camera. It was crappy when I bought it so I never expected more, so no obsolescence there... I use my Canon G16 which I have with me all the time, to take my pictures.
 
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