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Performance has *ZERO* to do with it. ... All of the actual speech recognition and processing is done by a central server somewhere. ... It's not a "the old phones aren't fast enough" issue, it's an "Apple wants it to be special for the new phone" issue.
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And you know this...how? Were you a member of the development team? Do you know from having worked on the code exactly what is done locally vs. what is done via a server connection?

I believe that the contrary is actually true; it has been reported in the JB community that Siri (at least in the iP4S iteration) will not run on a jailbroken iP4.

Interesting. It would definitely be interesting to know if this is due to a hardware shortcoming or if Siri is smart enough to know that it's on hardware that it's not "allowed" to run on...

Apple is very careful about perceived dilution of the value of its core technologies. This is partly why Apple is so aggressive in attacking look-alike products made by other companies. In the case of Siri, Apple does not want its flagship natural speech recognition technology to be confused with the considerably inferior app that was previously available.

I suppose Apple could have re-branded the pre-existing App and maintained its functionality, but that would have required Apple to maintain two separate server systems for voice recognition, since one would need to have much more limited functionality than the other.

Fair point. It still leaves people who have been users of the technology out in the cold. And it's especially poignant when the user, such as myself, uses it on hardware that should be able to run it: the iPad 2.

I heard the new version of Siri requires 1 GB or RAM which the iPad 2 does not have... Question is... Does the iPhone 4(S) have 1GB or RAM?

Where have you heard that? That would be an awfully inefficient app, given the amount that can be done with 512MB on the iPad 2. I find that hard to swallow...

(Add to that that we don't even know if the iPhone 4S has 1GB of RAM...)
 
Fair point. It still leaves people who have been users of the technology out in the cold. And it's especially poignant when the user, such as myself, uses it on hardware that should be able to run it: the iPad 2.
Here's hoping it will come to the iPad2. I wonder if there is anything else in terms of hardware requirements that is unique to the iP4S. I guess we'll just have to wait for iFixit's teardown to find out.
 
Actually, even the old version of Siri gets "own android fans on mac rumors". It then looks for "mac" in my local area... I'd be curious to see how the new version interprets the command. But the speech recognition is, in my experience, exceptionally reliable.

It is probably pretty good, I've just never had a great experience with things like Siri (or really found much use for them), but that's probably because I feel kind of stupid just talking to my phone so I tend to mumble lol
 
The iPad 2 doesn't run the Voice command feature. So I presume that it won't run Siri, either.

That's with iOS 4. No reason that couldn't change with iOS 5.

True. But it does reveal an existing view, within Apple, that voice commands and voice-driven interaction are much less of a priority with a tablet form factor than with a phone.

The value of something like Siri is greatest in situations where your hands and/or eyes are otherwise occupied, and you can't manipulate the phone in the usual manner. The likelihood of finding yourself in such a situation while having your phone is in your pocket is much greater than the likelihood of being in such a situation with an iPad sitting next to you.

The greater screen size of the iPad comes with a correspondingly greater emphasis on tactile input and visual output. Apple may have deemed, for the time being, that the usage case for Siri on an iPad is too weak to prioritize giving it an interface suitable for the iPad screen.

Additionally: typing on the iPad, with its full-size onscreen keyboard, is much easier than on the iPhone's comparatively tiny screen -- there is consequently less of an impetus for voice recognition functions as a substitute form of text entry.

There is also the possibility that the 4S includes other hardware features, beyond just the faster CPU, that are required to make Siri work. Unlikely, I think, but possible.


If Siri is a huge hit with the 4S, and if there's no technical limitation preventing it from working on an iPad 2, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple added that as a feature in iOS 5.1 or 5.2. Purely from an accessibility standpoint, I think they'd see some value in doing it. But software development takes time, user interfaces for the iPad are not the same as for an iPhone, and Apple does not have unlimited resources; it could be that Siri-on-iPad is something that was deferred to a later date, with all current efforts going into the already massive set of software releases coming next week.

Off the top of my head: iOS 5, iCloud, and the many new/updated Apple apps related to them; Siri and new camera features specific to the 4S; iTunes 10.5; OS X 10.7.2 and iCloud on the Mac; and that's not even getting into backend stuff to support all that. Apple is arguable facing the biggest, most complex coordinated set of (near-) simultaneous software releases it has ever attempted. It's quite plausible that Siri-on-iPad got bumped from the list of things needed to be included. Hell, even Siri on the 4S is being labelled only as a Beta for the initial release.
 
I think the bigger picture here is that the reason we got the iPhone 4S is because the new "Mythical" iPhone 5 just wasn't ready yet, and Apple wanted desperately to have a new device out for the expected holiday sales boom. To be honest, I had never heard of Siri until I watched the podcast of the launch yesterday, and I dare say that the vast majority of users hadn't heard of it either. That being said, I was mightily impressed with what I saw, and I was disappointed that it wont be on the original iPhone 4, but it certainly isn't enough for me to go out and buy a new iPhone for. I was more impressed with the A5 powered Infinity Blade 2 demo and the 1080p HD video and 8 MP camera.

Personally I'm only about 9 months into a 2 year contract with my iPhone 4 and really can't afford to break the contract. I'll be more likely to just wait it out for another year and maybe upgrade to the next iPhone when they release it, (iPhone 6?) which, if you follow the past release patterns from the guys at Cupertino, wont be that long a wait anyway. I admire how Apple wont release a product until it's right, I guess that is a trait that came from the late Mr Jobs, but it's one of the reasons that when you pick up an Apple device you can feel the quality and it works!! The same cannot be said for the many of the "Ahem..." competitors out there.

I already have the most popular phone on the market at the moment, and I've barely put it down since I've had it. Each day I discover something else it can do that I didn't know, or another great app. Simply put the iPhone 4 is an awsome device, but I can certainly wait it out for iPhone 6. After all, the world wont stop if you don't have the newest, latest and greatest device out there...

On a side note, Tim Cook is simply not a showman... He tried hard, and worked like a demon, but some of his speech was like a dose of morphine compared to the late great Steve Jobs' legendary presentations. Tim even made mild mannered Phil Schiller look animated yesterday, and Scott "Terminator" Forstall looked like the Energiser Bunny!!

For our sake :apple: please bring back Woz!!
 
Siri and iPad2

I wonder why Siri would not work with the iPad2? Same A5 cpu. Maybe the initial Siri will be released only for iPhone 4s, but I would expect to be available on iPad2.

Any reason technically why not?
 
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For fear of being called a cheapskate myself, I do find this to be an incredibly cheapskate-ish move by Apple. An A5 processor, improved antenna, and a piece of software is a truly lack-luster iteration. In the wake of S.Jobs' departure, Apple is frantic to do whatever they can to reassure stock-holders that they can still push units out the door. Forcibly obsolete-ing the iPhone 4 via software is a really low move, especially for Apple. People should be complaining about this, ESPECIALLY existing iPhone users, since we know the software isn't hardware-limited.

Down-vote away... *eye-roll*

I would expect not only perhaps incompatibility of the Siri app with the new version, but Apple doesn't want to allow an inferior product to be associated with the embedded version. I do expect a Siri app to become available on other Apple platforms, including the iPad2, which should be a compatible platform.
 
You think being free will stop people from being pissed? You're underestimating the innate capacity for indignation from cheapskates.
So buying a $600 phone and downloading a free program exactly as intended by the developer is equivalent to being a cheapskate?
 
Thank god Siri was a free application or I can imagine people would be pissed it shutting down Oct 15th...
No, we're pissed because it was a great app that's being taken away just to push folks to the 4S.
I'd gladly pay for it. I'm not upgrading to 4S.
 
Siri was a paid app, and was severely crippled on the existing hardware. No more than a technology demonstration.
 
I have an iPhone4 that isn't eligible for upgrade until 2013. So instead of continuing to have access to the basic functionality of Siri (Which I use all the time) Apple has to kill it? That makes a whole lot of sense.
Anyone have Tim Cook's Email address?

No, but please give them feedback about this.

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Siri was a paid app, and was severely crippled on the existing hardware. No more than a technology demonstration.

I don't think it was. If so they owe us a refund.
 
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Siri was good enough to be includedall those iPhone 4 commercials. Although it wasn't the sole reason bought an iPhone. It was certainly a desirable feature that was part of my desision to by my iPhone 4. I find it pretty upsetting that they would show this app in millions of their iPhone 4 commercials then buy out the company and shut them down on my 4.
 
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For fear of being called a cheapskate myself, I do find this to be an incredibly cheapskate-ish move by Apple. An A5 processor, improved antenna, and a piece of software is a truly lack-luster iteration. In the wake of S.Jobs' departure, Apple is frantic to do whatever they can to reassure stock-holders that they can still push units out the door. Forcibly obsolete-ing the iPhone 4 via software is a really low move, especially for Apple. People should be complaining about this, ESPECIALLY existing iPhone users, since we know the software isn't hardware-limited.

Down-vote away... *eye-roll*
I believe that the contrary is actually true; it has been reported in the JB community that Siri (at least in the iP4S iteration) will not run on a jailbroken iP4.

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You know what? **** you, Apple, for this planned obsolescence ******. I am really tired of it.

My iPhone 4 is 1 year old. I rarely used the Siri application (Google Voice and Dragon Go! are better), but why discontinue an application for other iPhone users? To intice us to buy a new iPhone? This has the opposite effect on me: After my first-generation MacBook Pro is abandoned for Mac OS X 10.7 Lion for no apparent reason (the betas would run on it with a easy hack), I'm starting to get really p---ed at Apple. When my contract is up in 1 year, I am seriously going to consider an Android phone for the first time.

I know they want to sell as many computers and phones as possible, but stop doing obvious things to try and make things obsolete! I am a former Apple stock holder (just sold last month at $400+) so I understand how profit margins work and planned obsolescence. However, this is just disgraceful. Pulling the Siri app from the App Store is one thing. Adding an "update" to tell us that Siri is getting pulled from existing users... **** you, Apple. :mad:

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tcook@apple.com -- I already emailed him on this topic earlier today. :mad:

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They removed it from the App Store, which I have no problem with. My problem is that they disabled it for existing users.
Apple is very careful about perceived dilution of the value of its core technologies. This is partly why Apple is so aggressive in attacking look-alike products made by other companies. In the case of Siri, Apple does not want its flagship natural speech recognition technology to be confused with the considerably inferior app that was previously available.

I suppose Apple could have re-branded the pre-existing App and maintained its functionality, but that would have required Apple to maintain two separate server systems for voice recognition, since one would need to have much more limited functionality than the other.

Having dabbled in hackintoshes, I know very well that often times what stands between a piece of software and full-operability of a piece of hardware is a hardware ID. I suspect this is the same case. No "4S", no dice.
 
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Siri was good enough to be includedall those iPhone 4 commercials. Although it wasn't the sole reason bought an iPhone. It was certainly a desirable feature that was part of my desision to by my iPhone 4. I find it pretty upsetting that they would show this app in millions of their iPhone 4 commercials then buy out the company and shut them down on my 4.

Actually I just used Siri to "send feedback to Apple": "Don't delete Siri!"
Do it.
 
It is probably pretty good, I've just never had a great experience with things like Siri (or really found much use for them), but that's probably because I feel kind of stupid just talking to my phone so I tend to mumble lol
Why does this bother people? You talk through your phone to other people, right? Looks the same to that guy sitting 10' away.
 
Am I the only one who was sourly disappointed when I heard the voice of Siri? I thought there would've been atleast some progress on text-to-speech since the 80's.

Stephen Hawking much?

TTS actually did evolve ALOT and what's currently available is almost indistinguishable from true voice recording! What you hear in the Apple's demo is RealSpeak but there's the new Vocalizer and that thing is incredible! I bet we will see it in iPhone 5!
 
Mr Chewie

:eek::D:eek: I was asking suri random questions and my gf said "suri, find me a prostitute"

it did! LOL... try it

Sure are a lot of hookers in Dallas

did you really think we were going to believe first you have a girlfriend second that it wasn;t you just asking for companionship?:rolleyes:
 
Irritating

You can buy a new iPhone anytime you want...

So unhelpful.

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So the app that worked on all iPhones will now be replaced by a feature that only runs on the iPhone 4S? Isn't that a bit lame?

More than a bit lame. It's environmentally disastrous.

Makers of cellphones and similar technology are known for being huge users of resources, as well as polluters. Not encouraging people to use their existing tech for a reasonable amount of time is just wrong. (As in, someone buys a new phone several months before the new release, and that purchase is not supported for the approximately one-to-two years for which most people keep their phones.)

Apple is not polishing it's environmental image with this one. It constantly pushes older technology out by making it obsolete. So wrong.

Interesting related factoid of the day: did you know it's more "green" to drive your old car into the ground than to buy a new hybrid?
 
And you know this...how? Were you a member of the development team? Do you know from having worked on the code exactly what is done locally vs. what is done via a server connection?

Um...

Because Siri said so when they were still an independent company? Because there is a disclaimer at the bottom of the page for Siri "requires internet access"?

Which makes me wonder how much data transfer Siri uses... If I opt for the low-end data package, would using Siri a lot, and nearly no other internet usage, push me over the limit?
 
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