Apple Signs Another Multi-Year 5G Patent License Agreement With Nokia

[MacRumors]

Apple and Nokia have signed a long-term patent license agreement that will give Apple access to patented Nokia inventions in 5G and other technologies, Nokia announced today.

The two companies had a prior licensing deal that was set to expire at the end of 2023, and the new deal will replace the one that is ending. Nokia and Apple have not announced the terms of the deal, but Nokia will be receiving payments from Apple.

Nokia owns more than 20,000 patents, including 5,500 patents that are related to 5G technology. Nokia offers its patents on fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory (FRAND) terms because many of them are considered essential. This means that companies can license Nokia technologies for a reasonable price, but there are sometimes disputes over the definition of reasonable.

Back in 2017, Apple and Nokia established a new patent licensing agreement following a heated legal dispute, and that 2017 agreement was set to expire in 2023. Revenues related to Nokia and Apple's latest deal will be reflected in Nokia's Q1 2024 earnings.

Article Link: Apple Signs Another Multi-Year 5G Patent License Agreement With Nokia

 

[antiprotest]

Passive income ftw.

 

[Wildkraut]

AOCIA?

 

[MacProFCP]

So Nokia owned old patens and gets to benefit from Apple's investment that utilize their patents.

Man, I should invest in a few patents of my own...

 

[mdriftmeyer]

So Nokia owned old patens and gets to benefit from Apple's investment that utilize their patents.

Man, I should invest in a few patents of my own...

Nokia is at the forefront of 5G, 6G and more. You should really do some research before speculating on their current positions in Telecommunications standards. In fact, they own the majority of patents for 5G & 6G, globally.

Spectrum for 6G explained | Nokia

The successful kickstart of each mobile generation greatly benefits from the availability of new pioneer bands enabling macro-cellular deployments and6G is no exception.

www.nokia.com

Patent licensing | Nokia

Build on our patents to make innovative products

www.nokia.com

 

[JPack]

So Nokia owned old patens and gets to benefit from Apple's investment that utilize their patents.

Man, I should invest in a few patents of my own...

It's not like Apple can drop 3G any time soon. Chicken and egg situation.

 

[JPack]

Nokia is at the forefront of 5G, 6G and more. You should really do some research before speculating on their current positions in Telecommunications standards. In fact, they own the majority of patents for 5G & 6G, globally.

Nokia is definitely not at the forefront. Not a majority owner of patents either. 😄

 

[hoodafoo]

when did Nokia get such a fancy logo?

 

[MacProFCP]

Nokia is at the forefront of 5G, 6G and more. You should really do some research before speculating on their current positions in Telecommunications standards. In fact, they own the majority of patents for 5G & 6G, globally.

Spectrum for 6G explained | Nokia

The successful kickstart of each mobile generation greatly benefits from the availability of new pioneer bands enabling macro-cellular deployments and6G is no exception.

www.nokia.com

Patent licensing | Nokia

Build on our patents to make innovative products

www.nokia.com

It's not like Apple can drop 3G any time soon. Chicken and egg situation.

Define: Hyperbole

 

[DeepIn2U]

Nokia is definitely not at the forefront. Not a majority owner of patents either. 😄

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Thank you I didn't think so

All this news shows (article) is that Apple cannot move to their own chips without licensing.

 

[svish]

Nokia will be getting huge payments from Apple

 

[WWPD]

AOCIA?

Not a fan of these ultra "futuristic" typefaces that seem to be the fad right now.

 

[Expos of 1969]

when did Nokia get such a fancy logo?

In late February.

 

[thegerman]

You lst at it apple. Qualcomm will always be the best

 

[alexonline]

7OKLA’s new logo is dreadful. Nothing wrong with the old logo! Instead of connecting people 7OKLA is all about disconncted and missing lines. Sad.

 

[alexonline]

when did Nokia get such a fancy logo?

I don’t like it.

 

[alexonline]

when did Nokia get such a fancy logo?

Not a fan of these ultra "futuristic" typefaces that seem to be the fad right now.

7OKLA is what I see. Just woefully bad, someone made a lot of cash for that trash

 

[whcchief]

AOCIA?

At least the last A looks like an iMac (crappy arm attached)

 

[TEG]

If an invention is required to adhere to a set standard, the patent should no longer be enforceable. It is criminal that companies shove their patented technology into new standards, just so they can have passive, forced, income.

 

[hoodafoo]

7OKLA is what I see. Just woefully bad, someone made a lot of cash for that trash

Still better than KIA's new logo (KN)

 

[ksec]

Macrumors comments has been claiming Apple doesn't need to pay for any 3G-5G patents after they acquired Intel's Modem asset. Now they have to pay Nokia for something they all went quiet.

 

[DrV]

Nokia is definitely not at the forefront. Not a majority owner of patents either. 😄

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There is definitely something wrong with this table.

It is very difficult to believe Apple would have obtained 6G patents in 2014... Also, I find it a bit hard to believe Nokia would've filed only one 6G patent application in 2022 when Nokia's annual report talks about 1,700 inventions.

The Chinese have been very active on the filing front during the last couple of years, but historically the number of applications and the total patent revenue have not correlated too well. For example, in 2021, Huawei received 0.3 % of global 5G patent revenue despite holding more patents than anyone else. The global winner was Qualcomm (21.4 %) followed by Nokia (6.4 %), and Ericsson (4.3 %).

Qualcomm sells its IP with its chips. Nokia and Ericsson have been very active in shaping the standards and trying to obtain essential patents.

According to my own experience (~a dozen patents), it is very easy to file a patent application. It is relatively easy to get an invention patented. It is much more difficult to get an invention patented with a meaningful coverage. It is very difficult to monetize a patent. Vast majority of patents are just nice-looking certificates without any business impact.

 

[DrV]

If an invention is required to adhere to a set standard, the patent should no longer be enforceable. It is criminal that companies shove their patented technology into new standards, just so they can have passive, forced, income.

That is one way of looking at it. The other way to look at it is that these companies use billions of dollars every year in R&D. If they didn't, we would be using far inferior technology. One way for them to cover the cost is to monetize the IPR.

To solve this conflict between open standards and patented inventions, the idea of essential patents and FRAND terms has been introduced. While the inventor has a monopoly, they cannot eliminate competition or set extremely high royalties.

In general, I do not like the patent system, either. There are a lot of unwanted side effects (= too many parasiteslawyers living off it), and the delays make the system quite useless in many fields. However, very large R&D investments are one use case where some protection is needed, most notable examples being new drug development or mobile network technology development.

 

[JPack]

There is definitely something wrong with this table.

It is very difficult to believe Apple would have obtained 6G patents in 2014... Also, I find it a bit hard to believe Nokia would've filed only one 6G patent application in 2022 when Nokia's annual report talks about 1,700 inventions.

The Chinese have been very active on the filing front during the last couple of years, but historically the number of applications and the total patent revenue have not correlated too well. For example, in 2021, Huawei received 0.3 % of global 5G patent revenue despite holding more patents than anyone else. The global winner was Qualcomm (21.4 %) followed by Nokia (6.4 %), and Ericsson (4.3 %).

Qualcomm sells its IP with its chips. Nokia and Ericsson have been very active in shaping the standards and trying to obtain essential patents.

According to my own experience (~a dozen patents), it is very easy to file a patent application. It is relatively easy to get an invention patented. It is much more difficult to get an invention patented with a meaningful coverage. It is very difficult to monetize a patent. Vast majority of patents are just nice-looking certificates without any business impact.

Anything in the high GHz range including mmWave antenna designs could be considered something for 6G.

Huawei didn’t start start licensing key 5G tech to Oppo or Samsung or asking Apple for royalties until 2022.

 

[Klae17]

So Nokia owned old patens and gets to benefit from Apple's investment that utilize their patents.

Man, I should invest in a few patents of my own...

You definitely should. Please update us on your success soon.