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Abstract said:
No need to jump on people's backs.

Here's a falsity by Jobs: Year of the laptop. Year of HD. The man does talk too much. Maybe he should learn to keep his big mouth shut until he actually sees these products when they are ready to start the testing phase, or a bit after that.

A few more HD products before the end of the year would be great, Jobsy.

iMovie HD. iDVD 5. FCE HD. FCP 5. DVD SP 4. H.264.

The problem w/releasing consumer HD hardware now is that the security specs have changed and I'm not even sure if they are finalized yet (hopefully not and they'll change again to be less restrictive). Why release an HD device that won't work with HD content (movies & TV) once the new security measures get rolled out?


Lethal
 
Apple is an $8 billion company

I realize that the press treats Apple like a small and scrappy company, but it is an $8 billion company, in the high 200s on the Fortune 500 list. It needs to execute.

They have contracts to sell devices. Who knows, they may have contracts to deliver G4 iBooks to schools or government installations.

Remember how they started shipping machines that couldn't book OS 9, they maintained OS 9 booting G4s for another year or so.

While graphic designers are the visible "artsy" crowd for Mac, Adobe will rev all their products FAST. It isn't a terribly hard port compared to the 9->X port, and Adobe already HAS x86 code for anything that is hand optimized. While it isn't a trivial rev, the one year transition was more than enough for them.

Remember the audio crowd? Apple has been the leader in that market, and while the OS X transition was painful for them, these guys did it, albeit slowly. Remember, there are markets that need STABLE systems. If Photoshop crashes, it's annoying. If you lose a live-concert recording, you're screwed.

Apple will maintain G4-based Macs (and maybe G5, depending on the deal with IBM) for at LEAST 1 year beyond their phase out for anyone that needs to add Macs and can't make the x86 trasition. They also landed a bunch of government contracts, like the Navy Xserve deal, and they are going to fulfill those. The Navy will NOT want to make a PPC->x86 transition until their next procurement process, so Apple wants to sell machines.

Apple sells $8 BILLION dollars worth of stuff, and it isn't all based upon Job's giving speeches.

My Powerbook G4 1Ghz is 3 years old in October. The accounting lifespan of a machine is 3 years, because that's how long they generally last. Those with 800 MHz PB G4s can upgrade to 1.67Ghz, and get twice their old 3 year old machine. For my era, there is not upgrade, you normally get a machine 2-3x fast when you upgrade. A dual-core powerbook is a REAL possibility. It is also possible that they ship Powerbook G4s AND Powerbook x86s (or xBooks/xStations and retire the Power name) in the beginning.

Remember the audio crowd? A lot of them use Powerbooks with fancy Firewire hookup boxes. Remember, when the Powermacs wouldn't ship more than 3 slots, people moved from hardware cards which dominated the industry for years, to Firewire breakout boxes.

You lose sales if you can't sell them usable hardware, and if their stuff is still PPC only...
 
alex_h said:


everything he said...except, i would like a G5 for the sake of a FSB and RAM speed. in box sound creation kills bandwidth.

but losing audio to crashes hurts in a special way.
 
Apple has done a lot of great things...

1. IEEE1394 which Apple was the first to use (Firewire)

2.The creation of the Spreadsheet

3.The first successful personal computer (The Apple II)

4.The iPod which is the most successful MP3 player on the market

5.Quicktime

6.One of the first laptops to have bluetooth and 802.11 built in (if not the first)

7.The creation of OS X which is based on UNIX and the most advanced OS

8.The Mac Mini

9.I can keep going on but this is just to add to that one guy's post.


I love PPC, I think Intel is a wrong step and that The PPC is the Apple as we know it now. The architecture is totally different and I just hope this works out for the best. God Bless.
 
Surreal said:
everything he said...except, i would like a G5 for the sake of a FSB and RAM speed. in box sound creation kills bandwidth.

but losing audio to crashes hurts in a special way.
Heck a DDR 200MHz FSB would be a vast improvement of what is used now on the PowerBooks.

The problem with the G5's memory bus is that it is a power hog, and as you slow down the bus with a slower multiplier -- performance tanks.

Look at the H.264 where the iMac G5 performed significantly worse than the PowerMac SP G5s.

---

We may see something special for the last round of G4 Notebooks.
 
AidenShaw said:
2) No floppy - what outstanding innovation.

4} Don't do any research on Orinoco or Digital's Roamabout - products which preceded Apple's 802.11b products by years.

Apple wasn't the first, but the first Airport Base Station and Airport cards were miles ahead of the compeition in ease-of-use and Apple's optional wireless on their laptops helped begin wireless computing as an idea; this was followed up and capitalized by Intel's Centrino and the associated ads. But, I would give Apple credit for making wireless, like USB, and Mp3 players something people actually wanted and knew what to do with.
 
Does anyone think Jobsy has made the switch due to price and that Macs will probably sell better? Intel manufactures them at next to nothing and for some reason...people buy Intel. I think Apple shouldn't switch and just stick with "what works" and what Macs a Mac a well "Mac". PowerPC's just have great achitecture and the G4 was half the size of the Pentium 4 and ran faster because it is effecient. I hope there isn't too many problems with the Intel Macs....something just doesn't feel right. And who knows... next could be excepting parts from other companies and turning the Mac into a ordinary PC with a different OS. Apple is known for being and "thinking different" and yet now they are being the same as everyone else. Don't bash me if I am wrong, I am only 14 and probably have nowhere near the knowhow of you guys.


edit: What is going to happen with Photoshop? Will the performance on it be as good as it is on the PPC, because on the Intel PC's it is nowhere near as good....not to mention lightwave and other Apps.
 
I have been using my PC lately because I need something fast and I have been wanting a PB for a while and have been waiting for the right time. Come September if there is no new PB I will be so pissed, If there is one though I will buy it for sure. And I won't be buying a Mactel for a good while, first I don't trust them, and second I will get a later Revision. Please Apple give the PB a speedboost and or better FSB....any extras would be nice! 😀
 
It would be quite unfortunate if we all had to live with G4's until 2008...Though I highly doubt that would be the case.
 
hulugu said:
Apple wasn't the first, but the first Airport Base Station and Airport cards were miles ahead of the compeition in ease-of-use and Apple's optional wireless on their laptops helped begin wireless computing as an idea; this was followed up and capitalized by Intel's Centrino and the associated ads.

You must be kidding. Apple's Base Station is ABSOLUTELY the WORST 802.11x device ever made. It is total junk. It is much more difficult to use/setup and has been behind the curve all along when it comes to security and features.
What a piece of crap product it is.

Oh wait it must be better because it looks like a mushroom and has an Apple logo.
 
~loserman~ said:
You must be kidding. Apple's Base Station is ABSOLUTELY the WORST 802.11x device ever made. It is total junk. It is much more difficult to use/setup and has been behind the curve all along when it comes to security and features.
What a piece of crap product it is.

Oh wait it must be better because it looks like a mushroom and has an Apple logo.
Personally, I think that 100% of ALL wireless routers/base stations are on the same level of "crap" you compare the Apple products to. I have never been able to adequately figure out most of the features on linksys, apple, or other wireless base stations/routers without calling in a professional from one of those geek squads. I hope WiMax will make this better. (i hope...)
 
I use DLINK and it seems to be the best that I have used, features are super simple to setup and has a nice setup interface....to go to the setting you just type 192.168.0.1 and it goes to it.
 
iQuit said:
edit: What is going to happen with Photoshop? Will the performance on it be as good as it is on the PPC, because on the Intel PC's it is nowhere near as good....not to mention lightwave and other Apps.

Saw this and didnt see any responses? Interesting question.... 😕

Maybe by the time the IntelMacs arrive the CPU's will be clocked so high, and as well as being dual core - will just outperform the G5's anyway because they are just newer. Not clock for clock but it would be like pitting a P3 1Ghz against an P4 3.2Ghz 😕

EDIT:
I personally would rather buy a PPC based Mac. No matter what Intels roadmap might look like surley what IBM would have had by the time the new Intel kit arrived would be at the very least competitve! Lets not forget the biggest weapon apple have - Mac OSX. Rather than a arcitecture switch i think apple just needed to get more [software] support going for the OS! Maybe going to x86 will make that easyer but its still UNIX so i dont see how.

But i will try not to be influanced by the name on their new CPU's i guess until the actual products arrive... 😛...
 
Steve Jobs is a salesman

rosalindavenue said:
Thanks for your input-- it really moves the thread along. Let me help you with your spelling; mumbling; parrot, and promises. Let me offer the observation that the only "false promise" of which I am aware Mr. Jobs has made is the 3Ghz promise, which came from IBM. I (and I suspect most members of this site) happen to think Mr. Jobs does not talk enough; thus we come here to talk about his company and about rumors about what Apple may do next. Good luck with your ninth post!! 🙄


THe title says it all.

Bill the TaxMan
 
THAT'S IT, I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE, I NEED APPLE TO ANNOUNCE SOMETHING NEW!!!!! I'M GOING CRAZY!!! IT'S BEEN OVER 5 WEEKS SINCE APPLE'S HOMEPAGE HAS BEEN UPDATED!! I at least want Think Secret or someone to at least post one of there famous spoilers! Oh well looks like I'm gonna be stuck looking at the Mighty Mouse on Apple Homepage until the 21st of September! BAAAAAAA
 
Who said it's for G4?

So where exactly does it say Freescale has to supply Apple with G4 chips?

Under the terms of the deal, inked on Monday, Freescale is required to supply chips to Apple for all orders placed through Dec. 31, 2008. However, Apple notes that it "is under no obligation to purchase Freescale microprocessors other than work in progress that was in place at the time the agreement was executed."

Freescale makes chips for other devices as well...like phones...perhaps even iPod phones. Apple knows these guys are the best when it comes to low power embeded chips, and I suspect they secured the source for some upcoming non-computing product plans. That being said, Apple is probably on the hook for the new 7448's since they were already "work in progress".
 
~loserman~ said:
You must be kidding. Apple's Base Station is ABSOLUTELY the WORST 802.11x device ever made. .
Although anecdotal proof is worthless, I must say that I've had more trouble using Airport access points than anything else (and I've been using wireless since Roamabout on Windows 3.1 days...).

No wait, Airport isn't quite as flaky as Windows 3.1 networking... 😀

Linksys, d-link, Cisco, public access points all work fine. To use Airport APs, however, it's a game of resetting the link or rebooting in order to get or keep a high speed connection.
 
SteveJ84 said:
THAT'S IT, I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE, I NEED APPLE TO ANNOUNCE SOMETHING NEW!!!!! I'M GOING CRAZY!!! IT'S BEEN OVER 5 WEEKS SINCE APPLE'S HOMEPAGE HAS BEEN UPDATED!! I at least want Think Secret or someone to at least post one of there famous spoilers! Oh well looks like I'm gonna be stuck looking at the Mighty Mouse on Apple Homepage until the 21st of September! BAAAAAAA


Your wish has been answered Steve. Macminute.com is reporting a special Apple event on September 7th. Speculation includes video ipod.
And of course the G4 could be used in a video pod.
 
AidenShaw said:
To use Airport APs, however, it's a game of resetting the link or rebooting in order to get or keep a high speed connection.

just about a month ago i would have totally agreed with you. i had more reliable wireless networking with a cheapo 3com B-spec base station than this current G-spec airport extreme BS, but lately this newest (4.2?) airport software version has changed it all. somehow it's great now. faster than any other wireless network that i use (and i use many wireless networks on a daily basis).

next time there's an airport upgrade on software update, i'm not going to install it. this version works like a charm.
 
Well of course, we'll be getting dual core 1.7GHz G4s at Paris and we'll need a supply til end of 2008 for warranty purposes 🙂
 
that means there are no Powerbook G5 on IBM's new "low power" G5 chips.........
we still continue to have Powerbook G4 till the end of PowerPC - OSX architecture..... 🙁
 
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