"Arm's hardware underpins all of Apple's custom silicon processors" - is that actually accurate? ARM obviously doesn't produce any hardware and the article soon goes on to also say that Apple licensed the instruction set. I don't consider architectural designs nor instruction sets "hardware".
This leads me to my actual question: do Apple processors actually still have much ARM architectural content? Apple has been designing its own processors for a decade - I can't imagine them looking much like the ARM designs anymore. In other words, beyond the instruction set I can't believe Apple is using any ARM stuff anymore.
WTF is "integrated circuit design data" supposed to be, and how is "blueprint" an explanation (as opposed to a restatement)? Try:The Newton was a flop, but Arm wasn't. It went on to develop integrated circuit design data that is generally considered to be the "blueprint" for semiconductors. Arm licenses its chip designs to over 500 companies, and its architecture is used in 95 percent of the world's smartphones.
It tells us nothing at all. There is literally zero relevance. The lack of eGPUs is not due to anything ARM-related. It's just Apple's choice.What does it tell us about future gaming on the Mac? No more eGPUs ever?
And me 61ys old, and hopefully still alive.I'll be too old to care...
They use LEG designs.What processors do the 5% of phones not using ARM have?
My wife has one buried somewhere - it was issued to her for work. I HAVE watered it but is has never sprouted.View attachment 2255697The Newton flopped 30 years ago. But the Indiana BMV still uses a stock image of a Newton on their website when you log into your account.
Technically started with the Acorn Archimedes, the successor to the BBC Micro. We had a few at Primary School before the PC and to an extent the Mac took over!History repeats itself , didn’t arm start with the bbc micro ?
Probably got that wrong 😑
It's completely inaccurate. This article is so terrible it should have appeared on AppleInsider.
There are ARM versions of Linux and Windows, and they run on M-series Macs currently.I know the performance is excellent, just partly a shame considering these machines now have a 6/7 year lifespan. At least prior to Arm you could install Linux/Windows etc. Unless there is another Arm OS I don’t know about. It’s the only thing stopping me spending a small fortune on a Studio.
I’m not so sure you could get 6 big tech firms to agree on anything significant having worked with consortiums before.
Intel is developing chips similar to Apples, but not sure if they are going to use the ARM instruction set like Apple does.Currently we have MAC & mobile (and misc devices like the Chromebook) being on arm and the rest on x86 and I question, how long there is still a split or if arm will slowly but surely phase out x86. Though I guess, as long as intel has this huge market shares in PC CPU parts, we will see this duopoly for a long time.
SoftBank is only selling a minority share worth's of stock so even if Apple bought the entire block SoftBank would still control the bulk of the stock. So these companies are buying in more as a show of support than any strategic maneuver.
Apple's existing license for the current ARM instruction set is said to be a perpetual license so Apple can continue to develop SoCs for their products under that license forever. I presume this new license covers future ARM instruction sets and/or architectures should Apple chose to adopt them.
To be a bit pedantic (but accurate) Apple is not going to license ARM chip designs. They are licensing the ARM instruction set. They design their own chips.
Not for the Mac line. The 6502 and variants were the Apple][ and /// chips. The 68000 started with the Lisa.
If no significant decisions can be taken, this could well be the end for a tech company. Tech markets still move quickly and companies have to adjust accordingly.I’m not so sure you could get 6 big tech firms to agree on anything significant having worked with consortiums before.
There are ARM versions of Linux and Windows, and they run on M-series Macs currently.
You can natively run windows on it?
Actually, smart money is that Apple *is* designing their own controllers. They definitely had one a few iterations ago called Chinook, which they apparently built by stripping down one of their normal cores quite a lot. (And yes, that was a surprise to me - I would have expected no OoO, maybe 32-bit, etc.) They are likely using some really tiny ARM cores (like M0) where even that's too much, but we don't know. And their efforts with RISC-V suggest that, if not already, they will soon be replacing those cores with their own RV designs. Probably the Chinooks too, or whatever those have evolved into.If being pedantic Apple likely does both. Apple uses smaller embedded Arm designs as controllers. ( SSD controller, ) it isn't just "big" end user application cores. ( there is non-GUI stuff that Apple does too. Remember they bought up Dialgog's subdivision for power manangement IC (PMIC) and have weaved system management SMIC stuff in their own systems also. )
There is about zero good rational for Apple to build most of those low level controllers completely from scratch on bleeding edge fab nodes.
RISC-V is likely going to eat away at Arm's dominance in embedded controllers over time, but for now that is just as broad , if not broader , than the Personal Computer ( from smartphone to classic PC form factor) space.
That's silly. True, the cores are a fraction of the total silicon budget. False that the ARM cores are almost irrelevant to performance. In 2023, the performance most people care about is still CPU, though GPU is also a major factor. Few people use or care about the NPU, and most of the rest just have to be good enough. ("Cache" as you listed it is properly part of the core, except for the SLC, which, true, is quite important.)On the M series the main processors using ARM's ISA are a pretty small area of the chip. GPU, Neural Engine, RAM, cache, etc. tale up the majority of layout. Point being that ARM has almost nothing to do with the performance of the A/M/S SOCs Apple produces.
This was exactly the point I was making in post #52 (with a somewhat clever pun that nobody seems to have picked up on, sigh). Inventing their own is certainly an option but it would be pushing uphill quite a lot, in terms of reinventing tooling, training, etc. RISC-V is probably all they need. They are certainly doing this already for the small cores that are not visible, though we don't know how far along they are, and it's vaguely possible that business considerations (ie, incentives from ARM) could slow or halt this- for now. I doubt anything can keep them from pursuing this indefinitely.Now that Apple has proficiency in designing SOCs, they could, technically, move to any other ISA, or invent their own.