The iPhone is already capable of encoding 10bit video faster than an intel desktop. Plenty of YouTube videos showing iPads processing video faster than intel desktops. iPhone and iPads are more RAM and thermally limited than the M1. I’m excited to see the reviews.
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Apple Silicon M1 Emulating x86 is Still Faster Than Every Other Mac in Single Core Benchmark
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For 2019 total x86 computers worldwide was 261 million of which 18 million were Apple computers. That year apple sold 233 million iPhone and iPad using A series chips.
When Apple makes the full conversion from Intel to AS in 2021, there will likely be more Apple Silicon devices sold world wide than all x86 computers. Economy of scale will be staggering.
When Apple makes the full conversion from Intel to AS in 2021, there will likely be more Apple Silicon devices sold world wide than all x86 computers. Economy of scale will be staggering.
They probably will, and then Apple will claim they finished their transition faster than they had planned. Cue the crowd cheering. The same thing happened during PPC to intel transition. The 2 year transition was marketing. In reality, Apple probably want to drop intel as soon as they can like a hot potato.
For quite some sime, Apple was ahead but only in single core. That started with the iPhone 5S that was the first 64 bit chip. Before that, Apple was behind in both single core and multi core. It took a bunch of years until it started beating other ARM chips in both single threaded and multithreaded workloads. Although the experience was better, in more intensive workloads, Apple was behind. Ok, that's several years ago, but don't say always...
I wasn't aware there is a rumor for a 14" MBP. I think waiting a little longer will net great benefits. I am torn myself to upgrading my 15"MBP based on the performance numbers. I love my screen size and don't think I can go down in size.
By reinvesting billions in innovation and not taking "no" for an answer. Not even being funny. That's a powerful combination.
Same here, updating my MacMini 2012 which is still working fine (SSD, 16 RAM). Time waiting is equal to time saving money for a better spec machine and usb hubs
Wrong. AMD had HSA based SoC back ten years ago. The problem with this approach is the Memory is Fixed width, a.k.a not expandable or scalable. The M1 has a subset of processes and applications spaces it shows promise in single core performance.
In reality, every applications running today is multi-core/multithreaded and large applications that require large data sets and are memory and computational intensive this CPU will not be used on. It would crash.
We have a fixed 16GB shared memory space. That's it. I routinely run 30GB rendering samples. This CPU would crash in Blender.
AAA games now requiring 12GB in dedicated VRAM for 4K Godsplay this CPU would crash and lock up the entire system.
These systems are disposable consumable, low power, low processing little efficient boxes for basic Web Browsing, Office Work. Heavy intensive, high core/high thread, memory intensive applications that thrive the more resources you throw at them--Computational Fluid Dynamics, Finite Element Analysis, large data sets that need to be stored in memory none of these and more will work with the M1.
If you're betting this solution has some linear scalable 1:1 capability of adding more cores, more shared memory as if the memory is limited on the SoC by your imagination then you'll be sorely disappointed.
Back in 2019 when Apple Demoed the Mac Pro onstage with 1024 channel strips running a full 100 unit orchestra w/o taxing a 28 core Xeon with 56 threads, an Afterburner and Dual Radeon Pro Duos with 128GB of HBM memory they could max Logic Pro [X at the time 10.5] without barely pushing all 28 cores, but it utilized all 28 cores.
That same score wouldn't even load in any of today's or for years to come M series SoCs. They'll have to offer a completely different Workstation class set of chips for that to ever become a reality.
By the way, AMD's Zen 4 is including their own Neural Engine FPGAs drawing upon the Xilinx merger, their own Tensor Cores, RDNA 3.0 based 5nm fab SoC that won't be limited to 16/32/64/128GB of HBM2e memory [that they can leverage even now seeing as they were first to market to use such]. Zen has a present limit of 2TB and the Zen 4 on DDR5/LPDDR5 will expand that memory footprint for the supercomputing markets, big data center markets.
People seem to delude themselves that this SoC is the future when it's a specialized solution.
Johny Srouji, 12 years of development, a ton of R&D $, and a plan from Apple leadership to not be beholden to Intel with its lackluster tiny incremental performance improvements and roadmap.
Love it that with this transition, the people who really should be on Windows, will likely finally go back to Windows. And the rest of us can feel a little bit better. Been waiting for this since 2006.
this 16gig limit on the 13in mbp has been around since 2011. Dang near 10 years. Apple needs to figure this out.
Very impressive. I do not think running Geekbench alone necessarily makes for a good benchmark though.
- It's a short-burst test, and does not truly test long running encodes/etc as the chip heats up and fall out of turbo type modes
- Other spec tests have shown that x86 intel chips still run faster than arm on many applications such as SQL, compression tests, and more.
Source: https://www.extremetech.com/computi...le-m1-beating-every-intel-powered-macbook-pro
I find people that argue with high level hand waving to be annoying. Just run the numbers and compare. For most use cases though, the M1 will be an incredible chip. Javascript performance alone is very important for modern day web browsing, so I'm most curious to see those types of benchmarks. The extremetech article above shows the M1 winning with HTML and "Navigation", but i'm not sure what navigation is testing.
- It's a short-burst test, and does not truly test long running encodes/etc as the chip heats up and fall out of turbo type modes
- Other spec tests have shown that x86 intel chips still run faster than arm on many applications such as SQL, compression tests, and more.
Source: https://www.extremetech.com/computi...le-m1-beating-every-intel-powered-macbook-pro
I find people that argue with high level hand waving to be annoying. Just run the numbers and compare. For most use cases though, the M1 will be an incredible chip. Javascript performance alone is very important for modern day web browsing, so I'm most curious to see those types of benchmarks. The extremetech article above shows the M1 winning with HTML and "Navigation", but i'm not sure what navigation is testing.
If by "closed", you mean the RAM being in the SOC... can you REALLY look at these benchmarks and say "seemingly no good reason"??? Putting everything on the chip is very likely a part of how Apple is achieving this.
I am tired of telling you all this but this is the MacBook Air not the MacBook Pro 16". Plus it is a new and more efficient memory architecture...the clue is in the name (Unified Memory Architecture!).
So it therefore does not need as much memory because of it being ARM. iPhone and iPad do not need a much memory and they do just fine.
Granted they do not tend to run things like photoshop etc but that is why the M1 MacBook Air has a lot more RAM available (up to 16GB) the the 6GB the latest iPhone 12 Max pro has.
I am sure that Apple has learnt a lot since then and I am sure that their engineers are smarter than arm chair experts on sites like this.
So is Windows in many ways, so your point is?
Basically yes, though there is a caveat which is that native Intel computers with better higher specs (for example ones that are overclocked and water cooled etc) may beat the MacBook Air M1.
However at least 99% of Intel PCs available right now will be beaten by the M1.
There is a huge difference between genuine criticism (me) and just plane hatred(you). Apple deliver what they promise over 90% of the time, thus they have something most people (hint) lack which is credibility...unless you are stating that they have never achieved a single thing.
I have to admit, I did not see this coming. The moment they announce the Silicon iMac I'm 100% on board.