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Apple Slaps Warnings on Apps Using External Purchases in the EU [Updated]
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Let's get off that horse man
They offered these tools as part of their dev fee to GROW THEIR USER BASE and SELL PHONES
Charge more for tooling if they don't like it
They in NO WAY deserve a cut of everything
Do you get upset at the Mall of America for taking percentage of revenue from the stores in the mall in addition to the lease cost?
Then maybe the EU commission should have told Apple it was ok to change this language rather than explicitly telling Apple not to!
It’s almost as if they wanted to fine Apple for noncompliance.
Hearsay.
Based only on Apple’s own account - and boy have they been cunning, disingenuous and malicious(ly complying) in that whole saga!
So what is the EU asking for?
“The gatekeeper shall ensure and demonstrate compliance with the obligations laid down in Articles 5, 6 and 7 of this Regulation. The measures implemented by the gatekeeper to ensure compliance with those Articles shall be effective in achieving the objectives of this Regulation and of the relevant obligation.”
👉 Again: not that hard.
They could have paid me a couple of thousands Euros in consultancy fees to lay it down to them how they were risking failing to demonstrate compliance effective in achieving the legal objectives.
Moreover, they could’ve gotten advice on the matter from reading my own (freely available) posts on this forum - where I’ve clearly stated how they’re not complying with the DMA’s intent.
But Apple - to borrow Judge Gonzalez-Rogers apt description - just chose the most anticompetitive solutions they thought they’d get away with. With their new fees and scary tactics - both of which they could have done without.
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No but it says the app doesn’t support the App Store’s “private and secure payment system” which leaves the impression that what the app does support might not be private and secure. If Apple is going to force developers to kick you to the browser if they’re not using Apple’s IAP, I have no problem with there being a message saying you’re being redirected to the browser to complete purchase. My problem is making that message sound scary so you’re less likely to do it.
According to John Gruber Apple was/is planning to change the disclosure. Right now if I click ‘Get book’ in the Kindle App it takes me to Amazon’s website in the browser with no warning message. So maybe Apple is no longer going to require a message? Or maybe just the big fish like Amazon will be allowed to redirect to the browser without a message?
Not sure if this was linked to in here yet or not -- just heard it discussed on latest ATP and thought I'd post it in case.
hypercritical.co
A damning and accurate summary of the Tim Cook era at Apple
Too many times, in too many ways, over too many years, Apple has made decisions that do not make its products better, all in service of control, leverage, protection, profits—all in service of money.
The road we’re on now does not lead anywhere good for Apple or its customers. It’s springtime, and I’m choosing to believe in new life. I swear it’s not too late.
Apple Turnover
hypercritical.co
A damning and accurate summary of the Tim Cook era at Apple
Too many times, in too many ways, over too many years, Apple has made decisions that do not make its products better, all in service of control, leverage, protection, profits—all in service of money.
The road we’re on now does not lead anywhere good for Apple or its customers. It’s springtime, and I’m choosing to believe in new life. I swear it’s not too late.
So why didn’t they implement it in this (admittedly rather neutral) manner, instead of the scare screens?
It is hard.
Cause they’ll just create new hurdles and loopholes.
Same as they did with linking out in the U.S.
Also, weren’t you advocating that businesses shouldn’t be told by government how to design their products?
If Apple is going to force 3rd party payments to the browser I have no problem with a message saying you’re being redirected to the browser to complete purchase. The problem is using scary language like “private” and “secure” which leaves the impression that the alternative payment option may not be private or secure. We all know the point of that message is to make it less likely customers use that option. But if Apple really believes there are some apps that would use a non private/secure payment system why are those apps even allowed on the App Store to begin with?
When the Mall of America is the only (or one of only two) malls in town that businesses can reach their customers through, I would. If not the only chain of malls in the whole country.
Besides, does the Mall of America take even nearly 30% of revenue from their tenants - while often competing with them with their own similar products and services?
To quote the article: “The EC raised no objection to the new disclosure proposal, but insisted that Apple not implement the changes at the time.”
Correct. But if they’re going to insist on getting involved then they need to say “yes/no” - not go radio silent or tell Apple not to do something and then fine Apple when Apple doesn’t read their minds.
They take 18% of sales over a certain amount in addition to the rent they charge because they attract a desirable customer base to the mall that the shops in the mall benefit from.
And it’s not uncommon either. Almost all malls and upscale shopping centers do it. And stores pay because they realize it’s worth it to have access to a desirable customer base someone else spent considerable time and money to attract.
BAHAHA Apple are so petty; A petulant little child throwing a tantrum.
Stores aren't forced to be in the mall to access customers.
Apple is the one who has forced this dynamic, which makes the comparison fairly inaccurate and not that useful.
Make the iPhone like the Mac (can get apps anywhere, including dev direct or in the Apple App store)
If Devs choose the iOS App Store and the Apple terms, so be it.
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A more relevant example would be, while the mall can take a percentage from purchases from the store inside the mall, but they shouldn’t take a percentage from that store’s website.
Maybe a better analogy would be if the store in the mall gave you a laptop and had you pay on their website rather than checkout in the store to avoid paying the Mall their 18%.
They were never denied making direct-to-consumer sales. They were denied using the App Store to inform said consumer about where they could buy it. Netflix is the most notable of many apps that made direct-to-consumer sales outside of the App Store. There are many others as well.
The people still defending Apple's anti-steering provisions probably haven't read the (US) court contempt document that came out a couple of weeks ago.
...like how many retail stores right now post notices in stores about buy online, pick up in store?
I'm sure google can absolutely choose to not collect personal data and still survive. In the meantime, this is why we all moved over to duckduckgo, right?