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It’s up to Apple to provide pricing that’s attractive to developers for payment processing.
Given how they’re controlling the operating system and most popular store, they can surely demand a premium over the competition.

It’s obviously a big deal for Apple - cause they know that their in-app purchasing system is not competitively priced.
Since when aren’t companies allowed to charge the going rate? It’s a rabbit hole of pricing strategy that has no winners if government steps in to regulate all pricing.

It’s not as if apple changed its strategy along the way. (Well they did, they lowered it and refined it, but didn’t raise it)
 
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It really isn't a big deal.

You just have Devs operating in the iOS App Store be required to offer IAP & any other payment solutions they'd like and only expose the other methods through Pro mode.

If a user decides to enable Pro mode for Dev direct pricing and offers, great!
They obviously know what they are doing and are ok with it.

Folks who don't feel comfortable with that will pay a premium to Apple in non-Pro mode for that experience.

All good, right?

I agree that it would be a really good solution but I don’t think the EU allows apple to do that.
 
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I agree that it would be a really good solution but I don’t think the EU allows apple to do that.

Perhaps they would if it were proposed in good faith.

I know a lot of folks don't want to hear this, but how Apple has conducted itself around all this at times does impact how regulators interact with them.

It's like in sports when you're shown to be pushing the line a lot --- the refs look at you differently and have the penalty flag more readily in hand, fair or not. That's life.

Also, don't think the EU doesn't consume some of those discovery docs that have taken the mask off Apple and how they are choosing to deal with regulations dictated by jurisdictions. It was a HORRID look for Apple and very embarrassing to have it out in public now.

And the guy lying under oath ... just ... wow .. mega yikes.
Don't think the EU isn't taking note.

Keep some of that in mind when putting "full faith in Apple to protect your interests" also, by the way.
 
Perhaps they would if it were proposed in good faith.

I know a lot of folks don't want to hear this, but how Apple has conducted itself around all this at times does impact how regulators interact with them.

It's like in sports when you're shown to be pushing the line a lot --- the refs look at you differently and have the penalty flag more readily in hand, fair or not. That's life.

Also, don't think the EU doesn't consume some of those discovery docs that have taken the mask off Apple and how they are choosing to deal with regulations dictated by jurisdictions. It was a HORRID look for Apple and very embarrassing to have it out in public now.

Honestly I think the EU’s big problem is that the elected officials are at a minimum tech illiterates and sometimes even incompetent in general, so they don’t even understand the risk and problems their regulation can cause customers.

The spirit of the legislation is good since more consumer power should be welcomed, but the hard part is how to implement it in a way that is actually good for consumers because it can be done in a way that isn’t.

We in Sweden have provided the EU with Ylva Johansson that propagates for chat control without even having a basic understanding of the technology and the consequences of what she proposes.
 
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Honestly I think the EU’s big problem is that the elected officials are at a minimum tech illiterates and sometimes even incompetent in general, so they don’t even understand the risk and problems their regulation can cause customers.

That's not a problem unique to the EU

The spirit of the legislation is good since more consumer power should be welcomed, but the hard part is how to implement it in a way that is actually good for consumers because it can be done in a way that isn’t.

Agreed - it's a challenge, but it's working towards a worthy goal.
 
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Perhaps they would if it were proposed in good faith.
Apple acts on advice of counsel in conjunction with mgmt.
I know a lot of folks don't want to hear this, but how Apple has conducted itself around all this at times does impact how regulators interact with them.
The regulators also have to make the assertions align with the facts. And Apple acts in conjunction with counsel and mgmt.
It's like in sports when you're shown to be pushing the line a lot --- the refs look at you differently and have the penalty flag more readily in hand, fair or not. That's life.
No it’s not like that imo.
Also, don't think the EU doesn't consume some of those discovery docs that have taken the mask off Apple and how they are choosing to deal with regulations dictated by jurisdictions. It was a HORRID look for Apple and very embarrassing to have it out in public now.
I don’t find this embarrassing at all. People overestimate the “embarrassment “ factor and have a hard time believing all of apples customers aren’t up in arms.
And the guy lying under oath ... just ... wow .. mega yikes.
Don't think the EU isn't taking note.
I can’t defend it, but I doubt anything g will come of it.
Keep some of that in mind when putting "full faith in Apple to protect your interests" also, by the way.
I never believed Apple personally protected my interests. But I do believe Apple tries to do right by its’ customers. I have more faith In Apple than any other for profit, consumer oriented electronics company.
 
Apple acts on advice of counsel in conjunction with mgmt.


They couldn't even agree internally on how they should respond to the ruling from the Epic case.

Phil Schiller thought they should just comply. Cook took the advice from the CFO instead.


I never believed Apple personally protected my interests. But I do believe Apple tries to do right by its’ customers. I have more faith In Apple than any other for profit, consumer oriented electronics company.

Based on what?
 
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They couldn't even agree internally on how they should respond to the ruling from the Epic case.

Phil Schiller thought they should just comply. Cook took the advice from the CFO instead.
That’s the sign of a healthy company where discussions can be had.
Based on what?
All of the past and present comments from MR posters and the sum total of what Apple has been about the last few decades.
 
"Cook chose poorly"

Probably my favorite part of all the documents
It depends on where Apple ends up. It could be in the future “Cook chose wisely”. At any rate I firmly believe those that want to criticize Apple there are plenty of reasons to do so while those who want to praise Apple there are also plenty of reasons.

It’s the nature of the beast.
 
…but the styling and wording are a large part of the problem.
No, you said it should have a warning in the app and I asked why that would be better than having a warning on the download screen.

The download screen is something you see once while in app would be something you see every time you make a purchase.
 
The browser is the browser and has always worked the way it does. Apps linking out from inside the App is new, and goes against how things have worked for 17 years. I think it is reasonable to assume that most users aren't going to be up to date on Apple's court wins and losses and might justifiably think that if they click on something in an app to buy it that Apple is the one handling the payment.
Amazon isn’t doing it. Do you think it should?
 
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I would say omitting at least the secure part would be a disservice to the consumer as that hides what the problem is.

Far as I know the EU wants the developer to have complete freedom over what payment providers they use, so I wonder if Apple would be allowed to block apps because they use a specific payment solution.

A solution that was suggested by another poster could be a toggle us users can use that hides apps not using Apples payment system.
I’d be curious to see data on this. Are there really all these shady payment providers out there that app developers would use? And why does this apply only to digital goods? I don’t see any concerns about payment providers for physical goods.
 
"Cook chose poorly"

Probably my favorite part of all the documents


great Indiana Jones reference

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No - they were denied informing them in their own app (in their own service and product).
And also via other communication channels (such as email).
In their own app that they are selling in the iOS Store. Nobody is allowed to do this in any retail establishment. And they wanted to use Apple's customer list to communicate. Name one retailer that allows manufacturers to access the retailer's customer data.
 
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In their own app that they are selling in the iOS Store. Nobody is allowed to do this in any retail establishment. And they wanted to use Apple's customer list to communicate. Name one retailer that allows manufacturers to access the retailer's customer data.

So stop forcing Devs to be in the iOS App Store as the only way to distribute Apps.

Make it like their own Mac, where Apps can be sourced from anywhere and are still notarized.
 
Platform owner should do what they think is best for their customers. Customers should vote with their wallet on what is the correct decision. This will keep
platform owners in check. Simple.
Exactly. The eu targeted Apple with slick regulations that was imprecise. They should have said we want iOS as open as android, but there would have been back lash. So instead they crafted imprecise legilation that ensnared Apple and now are fining them for non-compliance for poorly conceived and executed legislation .
 
Since when aren’t companies allowed to charge the going rate?
I have zero problems with companies charging the "going rate", when it's subject to competition.

No it’s not like that imo.
If Gonzalez-Rogers' latest ruling isn't prime example of "like in sports when you're shown to be pushing the line a lot --- the refs look at you differently and have the penalty flag more readily in hand, fair or not.", I don't know what is?!
 
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If Gonzalez-Rogers' latest ruling isn't prime example of "like in sports when you're shown to be pushing the line a lot --- the refs look at you differently and have the penalty flag more readily in hand, fair or not.", I don't know what is?!

Yeah, I thought it was a pretty apt comparison honestly.

It doesn't even need a sports analogy. Humans just generally pay attention to how interactions go and have gone and apply that moving forward when considering future decisions and behaviors.
 
I have zero problems with companies charging the "going rate", when it's subject to competition.
I have zero problems with companies that aren’t a monopoly charging the going rate. Car dealers are a good example of demand pricing. Yet i don’t see people clamoring to regulate car dealers.
If Gonzalez-Rogers' latest ruling isn't prime example of "like in sports when you're shown to be pushing the line a lot --- the refs look at you differently and have the penalty flag more readily in hand, fair or not.", I don't know what is?!
We’ll see. Right? There are many ways this appeal could go.
 
So stop forcing Devs to be in the iOS App Store as the only way to distribute Apps.

Make it like their own Mac, where Apps can be sourced from anywhere and are still notarized.
Nobody is forcing anyone to be in the iOS App Store. The Devs decided that they wanted to take advantage of the unique business opportunity that the iPhone presented. They could still create web apps and avoid iOS altogether. BUT, some devs want to take advantage of the business opportunity, use the IDE that Apple created, and not pay for it. (And don't even try to say that the $99/yr is sufficient payment)
 
In their own app that they are selling in the iOS Store. Nobody is allowed to do this in any retail establishment.
You're telling me you've never seen or bought a printer - that included referral to the manufacturer's web site in the box?

And they wanted to use Apple's customer list to communicate
Nonsense.
Apple has hundreds of millions of billions of customers and App Store accounts in their customer list.
Netflix, Spotify, Amazon and all the other third-party app developers only want to communicate with the customers they already acquired.

Name one retailer that allows manufacturers to access the retailer's customer data.
Good point.

So why third party developers developers allow Apple access to their customer transactions?
 
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