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Apple Slashes iPhone 5 Part Orders Due to Weak Demand

Nale72 said:
Firstly, why must everyone having anything negative or productive (as in: i like it now, but it would be even better if...) to say about what for example iOS lack, don't do as good as some other OS or would be improved by having, be marked as "Apple hater" or "Apple basher"? What's up with that defensive/agressive attitude with so many here? Couldn't it also be that we miss things or would want our iOS be even better? You know, you can like something, but still want it to improve it without being a hater/basher.

I belive you would find this thread enlightning and maybe you should try to be a bit more objective yourself also?
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Of course, but I've never argued that iOS or the iPhone is perfect. I'm the first to say I look forward to improvements in iOS. But that wasn't the tone or content of the post I quoted. You'd have to be pretty biased yourself to argue that that post was objective. It's kind of irritating to read these condescending posts that suggests that iPhone owners are 'waking up' or 'just realizing'. Like we're ignorant sheeple. And now that we've seen the light, we should stop using our iPhones and switch to some Android phone because the iPhone is somehow not "innovative" enough or that it's "underpowered". What exactly is SO innovative about any Android phone that should make me want to switch?

I have a collection of apps that I've "invested" in so of course I'm not objective. Why would I give all that up? For .8"? NFC? What are the other "advantages" I'm missing? The iPhone does everything that I could ask for in a phone. Any improvements they make now in size, processing speed, interface improvements, is icing on the cake. As a plus, anyone who comes out with an app, makes it for iOS first (and sometimes only). And it's usually higher quality than the Android version. Even Google admitted that iOS Google Maps was better than their Android version. So tell me - what OBJECTIVE spec is supposed to make me switch?

Want to know the difference between me and an "Apple basher" here? *I* don't go into Android forums trying to convince Android users to switch to an iPhone because of the better apps, slimmer form factor, better build quality, assurance of forward compatibility, lack of fragmentation, immediate availability of OS upgrades across all phones, etc, etc. If Android users prefer their phones, I'm perfectly fine letting them be and keeping my silence.
 
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flux73 said:
Of course, but I've never argued that iOS or the iPhone is perfect. I'm the first to say I look forward to improvements in iOS. But that wasn't the tone or content of the post I quoted. You'd have to be pretty biased yourself to argue that that post was objective. It's kind of irritating to read these condescending posts that suggests that iPhone owners are 'waking up' or 'just realizing'. Like we're ignorant sheeple. And now that we've seen the light, we should stop using our iPhones and switch to some Android phone because the iPhone is somehow not "innovative" enough or that it's "underpowered". What exactly is SO innovative about any Android phone that should make me want to switch?
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Old status symbol: Blackberry

Previous status symbol: iPhone

NEW status symbol: MEGA-Android Phones

Size matters.... :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4-r9HkSRo4

(I pulled out my 3GS and a person next to me rolled their eyes who had one of those MEGA Samsungs - iPhones are such a small phone and not at all innovative...)
 
flux73 said:
So tell me - what OBJECTIVE spec is supposed to make me switch?
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I'm not saying these are enough to make anyone switch, but these are things that I personally would love to have on my iP5 that Android has got:

- NFC.
- Ability to use TrueCaller etc. to let you know who is calling you even though you don't have the number in your contacts and/or block calls from sellers etc.
- Widgets and fast setting toggles.
- Letting you choose default app for different functions (calls, navigation, browsing, music, pictures etc.).
- Use custom keyboard like Swype
- Ability to have different DND settings, e g different settings for weekdays and weekends. On my Ray I had it quiet longer in the mornings on Saturdays and Sundays compared to weekdays.
- T9 Dialer
- Ability to add/remove music, pictures and other files easily and drag/drop them betweeen any computer and phone with USB connection through file explorer.

These are no dealbreakers for me, but I sure miss them.

flux73 said:
Even Google admitted that iOS Google Maps was better than their Android version.
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I'm pretty sure I read another article, with actual quotes from Google where my recollection was that they said that the Apple app was better designed and smoother, not better in every way. But I guess that's subjective. I can't find that article now, but this one seems to state something similar.

I myself agree that it might be better looking and better designed, but I still miss a few features at the top of my mind from my past Android phones that I'm pretty sure will come to the iOS version in the future:

- Offline maps (essential for use abroad so that you don't go broke roaming)
- Bike mode
- Indoor maps
- Option to measure distance between two or more points of your choice on the map.
 
I think iOS needs a major revamp!!
Make it more MacOS like with multiple desktops and full customization. Apple locks the phone down way too much and people are starting to get bored!

I believe the hardware is great, of course extra features like NFC and SD card slot, bigger screen are welcomed. It's the OS that counts, Apple can make a difference even to existing and older iPhones.

Can Apple do it! :apple:
 
samcraig said:
No. No article. I only have the conversations I had with ATT (local store); Corporate (a few people).

I posted before about the experience/interactions here before. Rather than get long winded about it - ATT would have had no problem upgrading me if I had an Android phone early (as early as 6 months into my contract because of how long I've been with them, what I pay, yadda yadda) - but their hands were tied when I wanted to upgrade before 18 months because I owned an iPhone. When questioned about it - they stated quite clearly that their contract with Apple prohibits early upgrades (unless, I assume, they approve like when everyone's date got rolled back).

If you think about it - it makes good sense (for Apple at least) to have negotiated this - it keeps people "locked" into their ecosystem and makes it harder to switch "at will." For ATT - it means not having to subsidize another phone (early) while still collecting the same revenue (IE - whether your phone is subsidized or not - you still pay the same monthly bill).

I have no idea if this is still true in 2013. I only speak of my experience in 2012. But ATT was VERY clear that they would LOVE to have upgraded me early and even tried to figure out a way to make it happen. But couldn't.
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I still think ATT has everything to lose and Apple everything to gain from 'an early upgrade'. Apple would get much more profit if ATT subsidized early upgrades as they get much more units sold. I call it bovine excrement on what ATT is feeding you.

I too used to get annual upgrades for the wife and I for every new iphone iteration. The 5 was the first one where only one of us could get an upgrade due to this new 'policy' against early upgrade that ATT is accusing Apple of doing.
 
magbarn said:
I still think ATT has everything to lose and Apple everything to gain from 'an early upgrade'. Apple would get much more profit if ATT subsidized early upgrades as they get much more units sold. I call it bovine excrement on what ATT is feeding you.

I too used to get annual upgrades for the wife and I for every new iphone iteration. The 5 was the first one where only one of us could get an upgrade due to this new 'policy' against early upgrade that ATT is accusing Apple of doing.
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You missed the issue. The issue is I wanted to migrate early OFF of an iPhone. I wasn't upgrading to a new iPhone
 
"weaker-than-expected demand": is it surprising considering the iPhone 5 already sells between more than $800 to $1000 after taxes? Or that life cycle now is half a year?

Comparing apples with Apples, the iPhone 3GS sold for less than $700 after taxes, and lasted for more than a year. Available technology for the buck at time of development doesn't explain this price increase. Neither do its desirability.
 
Anyone remember Symbian?

It was the iOS of its time.

Where is it now?

Symbian was destroyed by iOS when it was first released.

What will happen to iOS if it doesn't improve dramatically?

The same as Symbian.

Apple fans: you don't want this to happen, so STOP defending iOS. You are doing it a favour.
 
Sensamic said:
Anyone remember Symbian?

It was the iOS of its time.

Where is it now?

Symbian was destroyed by iOS when it was first released.

What will happen to iOS if it doesn't improve dramatically?

The same as Symbian.

Apple fans: you don't want this to happen, so STOP defending iOS. You are doing it a favour.
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:rolleyes: Stop making a straw man argument. NO ONE is saying iOS is perfect and can't be improved upon.
 
flux73 said:
Of course, but I've never argued that iOS or the iPhone is perfect. I'm the first to say I look forward to improvements in iOS. But that wasn't the tone or content of the post I quoted. You'd have to be pretty biased yourself to argue that that post was objective. It's kind of irritating to read these condescending posts that suggests that iPhone owners are 'waking up' or 'just realizing'. Like we're ignorant sheeple. And now that we've seen the light, we should stop using our iPhones and switch to some Android phone because the iPhone is somehow not "innovative" enough or that it's "underpowered". What exactly is SO innovative about any Android phone that should make me want to switch?

I have a collection of apps that I've "invested" in so of course I'm not objective. Why would I give all that up? For .8"? NFC? What are the other "advantages" I'm missing? The iPhone does everything that I could ask for in a phone. Any improvements they make now in size, processing speed, interface improvements, is icing on the cake. As a plus, anyone who comes out with an app, makes it for iOS first (and sometimes only). And it's usually higher quality than the Android version. Even Google admitted that iOS Google Maps was better than their Android version. So tell me - what OBJECTIVE spec is supposed to make me switch?

Want to know the difference between me and an "Apple basher" here? *I* don't go into Android forums trying to convince Android users to switch to an iPhone because of the better apps, slimmer form factor, better build quality, assurance of forward compatibility, lack of fragmentation, immediate availability of OS upgrades across all phones, etc, etc. If Android users prefer their phones, I'm perfectly fine letting them be and keeping my silence.
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You are deluded. All the "Apple bashers" here, including me, are also owners of iDevices. Unlike Apple loyalists, we know that iDevices are behind the times and found better things.
 
Saladinos said:
I'm not surprised.

I usually try to judge these things based on anecdotal evidence, and from that perspective the iPhone 5 is a flop. Of course it depends on my location, place of work and a billion other factors, but in a modern busy city you see a lot of random people with their phones and occasionally you notice one.

I don't tend to see a lot of iPhone 5s around.

Personally, I'm not tempted to buy one, either. The iPhone today does basically the same things the iPhone 4 did, just faster. The iPhone 4 was as big of a shake-up as the iPhone's had since launch (and even then it was a new case and faster internals).

There hasn't been anything revolutionary. Nothing that really pushes the device to the next level or provides something radically different. NFC could do that, but in that case it's less about physically sticking it in to the phone and more about building up the infrastructure; unfortunately Apple doesn't seem to be doing anything there, and they don't seem to be doing anything else either.

As always, would love to be wrong, hope they have something really great. Unfortunately when you build your brand on innovative ideas, people expect you to keep delivering. When those ideas run out your brand will just lose steam.
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Same here. I've only seen one other person who for sure had the 5, everyone else is still carrying the 4/4s. Even in stores, most of the cases are still for the 4/4s, with only a small section for the 5 - if anything at all.

Very disappointing. :(
 
indiekicks said:
Same here. I've only seen one other person who for sure had the 5, everyone else is still carrying the 4/4s. Even in stores, most of the cases are still for the 4/4s, with only a small section for the 5 - if anything at all.

Very disappointing. :(
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Because 5's are an out of proportion soup sandwich.
 
Sensamic said:
Anyone remember Symbian?

It was the iOS of its time.

Where is it now?

Symbian was destroyed by iOS when it was first released.

What will happen to iOS if it doesn't improve dramatically?

The same as Symbian.

Apple fans: you don't want this to happen, so STOP defending iOS. You are doing it a favour.
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I am a few years Symbian user. Moved from Sony Ericssion K350, something like that
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to Nokia E71 and later E63. I also just recently bought two more Nokias for my parents, who use them just for calling. In my view, nothing beats S40 and its recent versions in terms of feature phone OS. I used to use S60 and it was a great OS; even now when I would go to trips to difficult places, my OS of choice will be Nokia E63 because battery holds for 3 days.

Having said that, in terms of smartphones iOS is far, far more advanced. My family uses 2 HTC phones and my friend has a Samsung. Having used Android, I fail to see how even most advanced Android system and phones are better than iOS offering. My teenage son bought HTC because it was much cheaper (couldn't afford iOS) but after getting my old 3GS, he ises it, not HTC. If 4 year old 3GS beats modern Android HTC, I have no doubts that modern iOS phone are more than adequate comparing to Android - only thing is basically screen size, but again having huge outdated Pentile screens with unnatural colors like on Samsung is big disappointment. Android (i tried 4.1) remains as clunky and ugly as two years ago when my wife bought her first HTC and actually stopped using after few months, cursing Android (now she is on modern Nokia with S60 variant, forgot which one, but not Windows Phone).

I personally use 4S - a great phone so good that I decided I won't be upgrading to iPhone 5 because 4S meets all my small needs. I would upgrade if screen will become larger than 4 inch, however, something like 4.6 or 4.3 inch, but again, its not crucial, I have iPad 3 with me its huge Retina screen anyway (however, thinking of upgrading to mini later).

Its true that iOS6 didn't bring much new in GUI terms but I hope that Ive will redesign iOS 7 to add new exciting graphics and for me, big file transfer remains a key feature I want. You are right that if IOS stagnates it will fall into oblivion, but so far its Android thats catching up, not opposite, in my view.
 
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I've got an iPhone 5, and if it wasn't for LTE, I'd probably still be on my iPhone 4. I've always skipped the "S" generation and this time around I may skip the "5S" and "6" unless it's something special. The problem, I'm not really sure what I want that would entice me to upgrade. I want the brainiacs over at Apple to "wow" me. They can start with a phone with 50% greater battery life. It doesn't need to be any thinner, it doesn't need to be any lighter. I just want something more than the usual...

Better camera
Faster
Marginally thinner
Lighter
And of course, the video of Apple employees stroking themselves over the build quality, which makes up most of the time spent on their media events since they don't have nearly enough new features to talk about.
 
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