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I kind of liked it when their products just did the talking for them.

Ah yes, the ol' "Nostalgia Glasses" years. Where you could leave your door unlocked and no Apple products had a single fault. Where Apple didn't do any PR and their products just did the talking for them.

Boy, those were the days.
 
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Ah yes, the ol' "Nostalgia Glasses" years. Where you could leave your door unlocked and no Apple products had a single fault. Where Apple didn't do any PR and their products just did the talking for them.

Boy, those were the days.

Say what you will, Apple has changed and in some people's view, not for the better.
 
I think you misinterpreted the article. It doesn't state that those jobs were new and created this year, but that Apple "supports" that numbers of jobs, meaning that it's one of the contributor to the health and survival of the suppliers it works with.



Well, probably companies now feel compelled to explain they actually have a role in the USA economy, because, you know, there is someone that's making a lot of noise and spreading a lot of fake information about it for propaganda purposes.
People read and hear what they want to read and hear. Confirmation bias...
 
Anyone who has been part of an office committee's effort to justify an investment in a new tool or service for the office, knows that accountants aren't in attendance when the cost savings or other financial incentives are calculated. The math are unsubstantiated exaggerations.

You have to read Apple's claims carefully. Lots of possible sleight of hand. They like to cherry pick the metrics that make their boasts impressive. They jump between "units sold" and "total revenue" in similar announcements. Here too, you have to ask: Were they the sole benefactor for those 450,000 jobs? That's what the article implies.
 
More like spent $60 billion to exploit workers for profit...

It is a very complicated issue, it’s not a black and white scenario rather shades of grey. It’s not simple one company or a group of conpanies that contribute, however the entire eco-system which involve consumers, governments, etc.

I am not taking sides, however seeing it for what is revealed and demonstrated.
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Anyone who has been part of an office committee's effort to justify an investment in a new tool or service for the office, knows that accountants aren't in attendance when the cost savings or other financial incentives are calculated. The math are unsubstantiated exaggerations.

You have to read Apple's claims carefully. Lots of possible sleight of hand. They like to cherry pick the metrics that make their boasts impressive. They jump between "units sold" and "total revenue" in similar announcements. Here too, you have to ask: Were they the sole benefactor for those 450,000 jobs? That's what the article implies.

Are short, medium and long term contracts factored in, how about consultants, etc.
 
I am waiting for Apple to put another press release how much money they spent in creating a society that is filled with isolated/clueless teenagers who don't know how to behave socially..
 
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Ah yes, the ol' "Nostalgia Glasses" years. Where you could leave your door unlocked and no Apple products had a single fault. Where Apple didn't do any PR and their products just did the talking for them.

Boy, those were the days.

Some believe the world and some companies are in cryo.
 
are those Yeezys? (actually, what is the plural of Yeezy?)

Boot covers. One would hope.

Yeezy's will go down in history as one of the ugliest shoes ever made. The people buying these will also regret their toupee styled hairdos, droopy diaper pants and super long tee-shirts.
 
So does Apple just write all these up ahead of time so any time something negative is written they can put out something positive? Great PR if true.

New York Times etc gets a lot of things wrong intentionally. Most mainstream media seems to be violating basic logical curiosity and avoiding the “ who, what, when, where, why” of reporting “news”

So yeah, it wouldn’t surprise me if Apple has their own anti-propaganda people. They need more!
 
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I am waiting for Apple to put another press release how much money they spent in creating a society that is filled with isolated/clueless teenagers who don't know how to behave socially..

Parents hand over their old phones or make purchases for their underage children. Some do it for status others due to peer pressures and many are fooling themselves by claiming safety and security when it is actually a means to helecopter parenting.

If you know of any underage children that are working and purchasing these devices it is either through an allowance or child labour. No restriction to purchasing an electronic device, some good parenting is what is required. Unless one believes Apple should be parenting as well.
 
Parents hand over their old phones or make purchases for their underage children. Some do it for status others due to peer pressures and many are fooling themselves by claiming safety and security when it is actually a means to helecopter parenting.

If you know of any underage children that are working and purchasing these devices it is either through an allowance or child labour. No restriction to purchasing an electronic device, some good parenting is what is required. Unless one believes Apple should be parenting as well.

https://www.apple.com/families/

Interesting...
 
The scale of Apple is truly insane.

Well timed positive releases a day prior to earnings call, hmm.
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Any company can market whatever their are hawking, at the end of the day parents are in charge unless you are saying parents are being peer pressured by Apple.

Apple has provided many tools and apps like parental control to be used, if parents have opted to purchase these devices for their children. If parents don’t know how to use these ask. It’s your child not some corporation, be responsible.
 
And those 450K workers spent money at restaurants and coffee shops and mortgages... And workers in those industries spent money on... :rolleyes:
 
Here we go again Apple claiming these people as their employees like they did the last time. If I paid for my iPhone and other services along with music and movies, can I also claim that Apple engineers, rapper and Hollywood are my employees? Also I eat a lot outside and also drive my car and fill-up my gas every week so therefore, I employ a lot of waiters and farmers and factory workers.

Funny how when there are human rights violations, Apple's is responsible to take care of their "supplier's" issues, but when they are supporting other companies' employees by purchasing their products they can't take credit.

I really hate double standards.
 
I wonder how Apple counts the number of jobs its supporting. For not everyone at the suppliers support Apple (the suppliers have other customers and businesses too) and I am not sure if Apple's suppliers would truly disclose how many of their employee headcounts are fully or partially "dedicated" to Apple.

$9B divided by 450k is only around $13k per worker so they’re interpreting ‘support’ fairly generously
 
Well, this most certainly explains the current
And nowhere it says 450.000 full time jobs, not only that, each and everyone of us and companies support jobs.

PR propaganda.

Valid point. I for one would like to see a breakdown of Full Time/Part Time/Temporary positions. Also the level of benefits being provided to each category. The raw number 450,000 is meaningless without more analysis. :apple:
 
And none of them were Qualcomm jobs.....
This story is like promoting Apple as the saviour of the economy! Which it isn’t.

These are some incredibly arrogant twisted facts Apple is promoting here. It hasn’t created jobs outside it’s company.

As has been said recently, a few years ago the board and the CEO earned 30 times their companies average salary, now its around 300 times the average salary! Plus most corporations couldn’t care less about your work life balance so long as your making them money that’s all they care about.
 
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Jeez, so Apple was responsible for supporting 17% of the 2.6 million job increase in 2018—albeit their support didn't go to the new jobs entirely. That's pretty crazy.

Jeez, so Apple was responsible for 17% of the 2.6 million job increase in 2018. That's pretty crazy (or I'm very bad interpreting government statistics reports).

Corrected here and here.

What a long ways they have come. I’m probably one of the older people here... but I remember well the pre-iDevice days... when all they had were computers... and always sub 7% market share. We were the fringe. Now, I have to find it ironic when I listen to some young person tell me how much they hate Apple, for the sole reason of them being the “big guy”. They still are the little guy in regards to laptops/desktops... but at least we can now walk into most stores and see them for sale. Used to rarely be the case.
 
its an interesting claim to make.

is it wrong? no, probably not. But it's also a bit of a stretch to claim responsibility.

in any economic situation, there is the cycle of money. the more the money cycles the better. When someone buys something, that money just oesn't vanish, it goes into the cycle in paying the people who produce, who then go out and spend it on things, which further cycles.

if Apple's claiming that they directly help 450,000 people with work, than we, as consumers can also claim that.


it really sounds like they're sayng nothing more than taking credit for operating within a capitalistic marketplace... well, in that case.. um.. no duh?
 
That's some very American, Corning glass you're putting your fingers on.

Cover the back with an American-made flag sticker and it's like all of it was made in the USA!!!
 
That's like saying I support 100 Jobs because I visit a super market weekly.
 
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