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Glad to see they are refreshing the nano. It's been a while since they showed some good lovin to the iPod line.
 
I wondered the same thing and if we may be on to something

I was actually wondering that myself. Something tells me the iPad Mini is the "new iPod Touch"...

What if everything just steps down a notch?

Shuffle size and form factor is gone (2gb and form factor too close to the nano)

Nano is now named shuffle as the smallest iPod with 4/8gb size and a touch screen?
iPod Touch is the slim and compact a bit more and then iPod Touch really is the iPad mini name we have been thinking it would be.
 
I do not understand how anyone could use 128GB. It is simply unreasonably large amount of storage space. It is incredibly hard to use 128GB worth of music (assuming one uses them for music and not storing hundreds of apps they don't open), I mean that is just WAY too many songs to choose from, like you would literally never listen to most of them. Generally you listen to certain groups of songs you like, and most of them you never end up playing, like I have so many songs on my 8GB iPod Touch that I literally never play because I just don't feel like listening to them. It's just for those people who want every song they own, no matter how many plays it has on their device (0 being the majority) just because.

Movies, TV shows, huge (size-wise) magazines like WIRED (at least on the iPad), comfort to always have THE one special song with you when you are in the mood to hear it. Nuff said.
 
with a price that high i wonder how they could justify an iPad Mini at a similiar price point hm

I agree and disagree. If they both are the same price for the same storage, that'll definitely seem kind of strange, but you have to realize they fill different purposes. That's like saying why get a sports car that causes the same as an SUV if they are the same price? You get more vehicle out of the SUV, after all.
 
My point is that I don't think iPods and tablets compete GENERALLY, because people buying an iPod touch want something pocketable.

Well, I'm not sure how many people old enough to have a cell phone would ALSO be able to pocket an iPod at the same time. That's too devices in your pockets, which seems like a lot. So, if have to carry a backpack or something to keep your 4" iPod in, it more directly competes with a tablet. However, the iPod would probably have more CAPACITY especially if the new iPods have 128 Gb and the tablet dont have microSD slots, which is clearly the differentiator here.
 
If it still only comes with a pathetic 256 MB of RAM they can keep it. The lack of RAM on the current iPod Touch is the reason why it is so laggy and apps crash all the time.
 
If Apple thinks that a 4" iPod Touch can compete with the 7" Kindle Fire and Kindle FIRE HD offerings at the same price point, then they have lost touch. Say what you want about the Kindle Fire being plastic, etc. They have 1280x800 screens spread over 7" of real estate and 16 GB for $199. That is what the current 3.5" 8 GB iPod Touch costs. The original Kindle Fire didn't have great specs or great reviews, but these new ones look to be addressing that while maintaining crazy low prices.
Two different categories. Compare the current iPad or rumored mini to the fire, not a pocket device ...unless you plan on cramming an Kindle in your pocket somehow.
 
The iPod touch is really in a market of its own. It's an iPhone without the phone feature - which makes it a great option for kids/teens and people who have corporate smartphones that don't run iOS and want a device with iOS but don't need a second phone.

Edited to add: My point is that I don't think iPods and tablets compete GENERALLY, because people buying an iPod touch want something pocketable.
Personally, I am sitting on the fence about that exact choice. I want a device smaller than the current iPad to travel with (music and video on planes). I have a really old Touch, which is nice but video is sort of small. I was just voicing that (perhaps) a user in the market for a "portable media player" might look at the $200 price point and see "4 inch screen, 8 GB" vs. "7 inch screen, 16 GB" and say "Why is this thing that is nearly half the size in (both screen and storage) the same price?". I love my Apple products, but these 7" tablets would serve me fine for what I use my Touch for. I guess my point is that they could lose ground to these 7" products if they price a 4" product with the same general features and less storage. Put those two devices on the table and tell the general consumer they get to pick one for $200, and I think a large group will go to the 7" tablets because they are "more" in many ways. The only way the Touch is "more" is that it is "less" -- it will fit in your pocket. Is that enough to justify the price vs. feature gap?

I buy Apple products because I think their integration is fantastic. I'm not sure the average consumer considers that value like I (and most MacRumors readers) do. And that is why I will probably get a new Touch vs. a Kindle Fire.
 
If Apple thinks that a 4" iPod Touch can compete with the 7" Kindle Fire and Kindle FIRE HD offerings at the same price point, then they have lost touch. Say what you want about the Kindle Fire being plastic, etc. They have 1280x800 screens spread over 7" of real estate and 16 GB for $199. That is what the current 3.5" 8 GB iPod Touch costs. The original Kindle Fire didn't have great specs or great reviews, but these new ones look to be addressing that while maintaining crazy low prices.

Not sure why you're comparing iPods and tablets at all. That's like saying no one would buy a motorcycle because cars exist.
 
My God

I do not understand how anyone could use 128GB. It is simply unreasonably large amount of storage space. It is incredibly hard to use 128GB worth of music (assuming one uses them for music and not storing hundreds of apps they don't open), I mean that is just WAY too many songs to choose from, like you would literally never listen to most of them. Generally you listen to certain groups of songs you like, and most of them you never end up playing, like I have so many songs on my 8GB iPod Touch that I literally never play because I just don't feel like listening to them. It's just for those people who want every song they own, no matter how many plays it has on their device (0 being the majority) just because.

IPOD TOUCH SUPPORTS 1080p VIDEO @ 3GB downloads. Add that to your formatted 128GB HD WHICH WOULD BRING THAT DOWN TO AROUUND 120gb
 
PLEASE include a memory upgrade to 128gb! That's been my #1 want for awhile... really sucks having to manage space all the time on my 64gb. My iPod Touch is just about 3 years old now... I was ready to upgrade last year, but Apple gave me no incentive to do so. Let's hope this year is different :)

Yes! I’m thinking more of the iPad, but even on my phone I have way too many games, and I know I have a problem, but I don’t want to uninstall (and possibly lose scores/progress) in any of them!

Plus I’d like to tote more of my movies, TV shows, photos and—yes—music.

I can make do with 64, but I do see the value of 128. I think I'd want a 64 iPhone (or iPod + dumbphone) and a 128 iPad.

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If Apple thinks that a 4" iPod Touch can compete with the 7" Kindle Fire and Kindle FIRE HD offerings at the same price point, then they have lost touch. Say what you want about the Kindle Fire being plastic, etc. They have 1280x800 screens spread over 7" of real estate and 16 GB for $199. That is what the current 3.5" 8 GB iPod Touch costs. The original Kindle Fire didn't have great specs or great reviews, but these new ones look to be addressing that while maintaining crazy low prices.

Sounds like you’re assuming success lies in spec numbers and not in what you can DO with a device, nor how well you can do it.

If someone chooses an iPod Touch over a Kindle it will be because reading is less a priority, and instead they want:

* Many more, and much better, apps and games

* Pocketability

* Screen sharpness and quality

* Smooth performance (let’s see real world experiences, not specs on paper)

* Timely software updates

* Easy full backup/restore with every setting intact

* Better quality construction

* No ads in their face to subsidize the device

* Working within a great larger ecosystem (Amazon’s the closest second-best, I’ll grant you—but their content works on iPod too!)

Those things have value, and most people know it. For others, the Fire is fine, but I don’t much of a threat to Apple from Amazon.
 
SO the 199 model is still gonna have only 256mb of ram which is not enough at all, and an old cortex a8 gpu that struggles to push the resolution of the screen. Ridiculous, the nexus 7 is 199 and has a gb of ram, a quad core tegra 3 with an infinitely better gpu and an ips display. The current touch has a crappy screen( view angles/contrast). Even the new model being 299 is hard to justify considering their are quad core tablets 100 dollars cheaper that are what I would consider tier 1 devices.
 
If Apple thinks that a 4" iPod Touch can compete with the 7" Kindle Fire and Kindle FIRE HD offerings at the same price point, then they have lost touch. Say what you want about the Kindle Fire being plastic, etc. They have 1280x800 screens spread over 7" of real estate and 16 GB for $199. That is what the current 3.5" 8 GB iPod Touch costs. The original Kindle Fire didn't have great specs or great reviews, but these new ones look to be addressing that while maintaining crazy low prices.

Let's see you put that Kindle Fire in your pants or shirt pocket.;)
 
Yes! I’m thinking more of the iPad, but even on my phone I have way too many games, and I know I have a problem, but I don’t want to uninstall (and possibly lose scores/progress) in any of them!

Plus I’d like to tote more of my movies, TV shows, photos and—yes—music.

I can make do with 64, but I do see the value of 128. I think I'd want a 64 iPhone (or iPod + dumbphone) and a 128 iPad.

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Sounds like you’re assuming success lies in spec numbers and not in what you can DO with a device, nor how well you can do it.

If someone chooses an iPod Touch over a Kindle it will be because reading is less a priority, and instead they want:

* Many more, and much better, apps and games

* Pocketability

* Screen sharpness and quality

* Smooth performance (let’s see real world experiences, not specs on paper)

* Timely software updates

* Easy full backup/restore with every setting intact

* Better quality construction

Those things have value, and most people know it. For others, the Fire is fine, but I don’t much of a threat to Apple from Amazon.

The current ipod touches screen other than the resolution is terrible quality. (it is not ips, the kindle is) It also performs pretty crappy as it is starved of memory and has a weak gpu compared to the screen it has. They lag like crazy in my experience once you start putting apps on them. The build quality on the ipad is not anything to rave about either. Its nothing like the iphone other than the screen breaks easily. The nexus 7 has smoother performance, timely updates (real full feature-complete updates, not like iOS 6 for the iphone 4, touch, and ipad 2) Even the old nexus s has full blown jellybean with google now and project butter. It performs smoother in jellybean than the iphone 4 does in ios 6.
 
Is it weird that I am no longer thrilled or surprised by new iPod variants when they come out?
 
SO the 199 model is still gonna have only 256mb of ram which is not enough at all, and an old cortex a8 gpu that struggles to push the resolution of the screen. Ridiculous, the nexus 7 is 199 and has a gb of ram, a quad core tegra 3 with an infinitely better gpu and an ips display. The current touch has a crappy screen( view angles/contrast). Even the new model being 299 is hard to justify considering their are quad core tablets 100 dollars cheaper that are what I would consider tier 1 devices.

How are people comparing a 4" music player to a 7" tablet!
One fits in your pocket, the other one doesn't.

Now granted, I'm not a big game player, but I've never had a problem with a game or movie keeping up.
 
:rolleyes:

Circa 1994
Apple splits product lines so that there are essentially 30 different kinds of Mac.

Today
Tim Cook splits product lines so that there are multiple variants of every single device.

Future
Well we all know what will happen.
 
The current ipod touches screen other than the resolution is terrible quality. (it is not ips, the kindle is) It also performs pretty crappy as it is starved of memory and has a weak gpu compared to the screen it has. They lag like crazy in my experience once you start putting apps on them. The build quality on the ipad is not anything to rave about either. Its nothing like the iphone other than the screen breaks easily. The nexus 7 has smoother performance, timely updates (real full feature-complete updates, not like iOS 6 for the iphone 4, touch, and ipad 2) Even the old nexus s has full blown jellybean with google now and project butter. It performs smoother in jellybean than the iphone 4 does in ios 6.

No problems here on my Touch. Build quality of any Apple product is superior to any other music player, phone or pad available.
Jailbreaked mine minute I got it. First ran PayDay on it. Upgraded to Hershey's last December and now run 3 Musketeers on it. Smoooooth and light.
<huge eye roll>
 
:rolleyes:

Circa 1994
Apple splits product lines so that there are essentially 30 different kinds of Mac.

Today
Tim Cook splits product lines so that there are multiple variants of every single device.

Future
Well we all know what will happen.


I was thinking the same thing.
 
:rolleyes:

Circa 1994
Apple splits product lines so that there are essentially 30 different kinds of Mac.

Today
Tim Cook splits product lines so that there are multiple variants of every single device.

Future
Well we all know what will happen.

Yeah, agree completely. I don't care any longer what "roadmap" they say they have. They're going to ruin things just as was done the first time Jobs was gone. Hope they can at least hold out for the graphics industry until I'm ready to retire. Biggest problem this time is Steve's not coming back. Of course, there always seem to be "just one more thing".
 
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