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You know there is a hidden escape button thats physical and always there no matter what touchbar is showing? On left side its a butten same as the touch id button..

Really? Interesting. I mean, that's still not as good as a genuine key for me, but it's better than nothing I guess. I'll have to check it out at an Apple Store and see what I think. Can't say I'm too hopeful.

Function keys come everytime you press fn button same like all old macs

One of the first things I do whenever I upgrade the os or get a new mac is check the box at:
System Preferences > Keyboard > Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys
 
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The touch bar is looking nice!

But you know what would make it look even nicer? If it were placed one row above my escape and function keys.

If there isn't a System Preferences option to keep esc/fn keys always displayed by default, I'm sad to say I'll be done with Apple. And even if there is, I'm still not sure I can, or should, adapt.

I agree completely. As a touch typist, I don't look at the keyboard when I type, and I have shortcuts assigned to the function keys. I've never had to press 'fn' to access them, as someone else stated, and I use ESC quite a bit, yet I don't think there's any physical ESC key (someone mentioned it was hidden, and opposite the TouchID area - i guess it is a blank 'zone' that one taps to get ESC? if so that is not really a key, just a touch area that one has to look down to tap properly).

If I'm using an app that has a custom toolbar and I want to turn the volume down on music playing in another app, without interrupting my workflow, how will I do that? My Apple keyboards all have dedicated volume buttons and on the laptop, it's one of my function keys with the 'fn' combo - no need to look down to find the key; but now you need to do something to access the control bar that displays the volume controls, and then tap and then slide your finger side to side to adjust volume? Wow. :(
 
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What if that ridiculously large trackpad is because it will support Apple Pencil next year? Remove the headphone jack and add a lightning port and it makes perfect sense to me. What do you guys think?

No, because the trackpad would need to be thicker to support finer interaction with the pencil. We can forget Apple ever making function a priority over form.
No, because lightning ports are only useful to those who have iOS devices, and that would be a wasted port for android people such as myself who develop on Mac for Android devices. I would not want a port which only my friends would use when they don't have their charger, and it would be completely pointless for Apple to reduce profits of spare chargers simply by increasing costs of Macbook Pros.
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The touch bar is looking nice!

But you know what would make it look even nicer? If it were placed one row above my escape and function keys.

If there isn't a System Preferences option to keep esc/fn keys always displayed by default, I'm sad to say I'll be done with Apple. And even if there is, I'm still not sure I can, or should, adapt.

I'm considering the Razer Blade Pro, but that ridiculous placement of the up-arrow key is probably a deal-breaker. It's a real shame no one makes a laptop as nice as the late-2011 17" MacBook Pro, or an OS as great as OS X Snow Leopard.

You press the Fn key, and they come up on mac. On Bootcamp the function keys are always present.
You are always free to live for the past, but it's been and gone.
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I'm 101% confident that the Touch Bar will be coming to all Mac laptops and the bottom of the iPad in place of the Home button. Possibly to the phone and wired keyboard. Not sure if the wireless keyboard could stand up to the power requirements.
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How much do you wanna bet that a third-party will come out with an external Touch Bar, if they can manage to hack the system enough to recognize it?
You can get the touchbar app on iPad when it is connected by USB.

As far as having a touchbar goes, that's the thing bought over to mac if you've been paying attention.
 
You press the Fn key, and they come up on mac. On Bootcamp the function keys are always present.
You are always free to live for the past, but it's been and gone.

Yeah, as I said earlier:
One of the first things I do whenever I upgrade the os or get a new mac is check the box at:
System Preferences > Keyboard > Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys

What you call living for the past I call being a power user.
 
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Has Microsoft pushed out any updates for Office yet? I know they were showcased at the keynote but I haven't seen anything more about it.

They recently updated everything from 32bit to 64bit. I get updates almost every week via the "Office insider fast" option.
 
They recently updated everything from 32bit to 64bit. I get updates almost every week via the "Office insider fast" option.
wow, this is an unexpected statement, as it is illogical
I went to check this information in Google
 
wow, this is an unexpected statement, as it is illogical
I went to check this information in Google
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What you call living for the past I call being a power user.

Apparently the Pro machines aren't meant for power users. :( I do certainly hope they have a "turn off custom touchbar" global option so the touchbar can always display a default set of keys.

Kickstarter idea: a "Function Bar" - bluetooth connected - it's a thin row of physical keys that rests on top of the touchbar and clips onto both sides of the laptop so it can stay on the laptop even with the lid closed. A small open area on the right side of the bar allows access to the power button/Touch ID area. A software pref for the "Function Bar" can be used to setup the keys for the shortcuts that one wants, but by default it does the F1-F12 keys.

Thus, us "old timer/power user" types can continue to look at the screen while typing, use touch gestures on that huge trackpad and not have to be interrupted from our workflow just to turn the music up!
 
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What if that ridiculously large trackpad is because it will support Apple Pencil next year? Remove the headphone jack and add a lightning port and it makes perfect sense to me. What do you guys think?

As a wacom user for years, this would be really neat. I would love it but the fact that I would have to charge the pencil, keep an extra cable to charge the said pencil and then the surface area of that trackpad is only so big. Guess I'm spoiled with a large intros tablet.

It would be neat for quick edits and what not but it would never replace the need for a real tablet or something equivalent. And to think, that Modbook was around so long ago and Apple has yet to make something like that. I always thought that was around the corner. I nearly bought one of those a couple times but didn't need the mobility.
 
Right, because pressing the FN key is too hard for a self-described "power user".

Having to use a modifier key, such as the 'fn' key, all the time, for a person who uses the keyboard to type as efficiently as possible, is, in fact, a waste of time. What can require one keystroke, should not require two. Apple obviously thinks this way as well, since they offer that option in the keyboard system preferences.
 
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As a wacom user for years, this would be really neat. I would love it but the fact that I would have to charge the pencil, keep an extra cable to charge the said pencil and then the surface area of that trackpad is only so big. Guess I'm spoiled with a large intros tablet.

It would be neat for quick edits and what not but it would never replace the need for a real tablet or something equivalent. And to think, that Modbook was around so long ago and Apple has yet to make something like that. I always thought that was around the corner. I nearly bought one of those a couple times but didn't need the mobility.

I use iPad Pro with Apple Pencil since day one, the quick 15 second charge without a cable is awesome, so no worries there.
 
Surely if you were truly a power user, you'd be ambidextrous like I am, and not pointlessly self-restricted in which hands you use to type ?

Did you think at all before you typed that? If the fn modifier were required, I would have to hold the fn key with my left little finger and reach over with my right index finger to hit the function keys on the left side of the keyboard. This is much hand/arm movement extremely inefficient, which was my point. Try it for yourself without looking down at the keyboard, and while typing at 90 wpm, and tell me it isn't an awkward movement that slows you way down.

Look, I'm a vim user and I have several macros for LaTeX bound to my function keys. Why are you even arguing about this with me? Obviously, your needs from a laptop differ from mine. This matter isn't up for debate. You would realize this if you spent a few minutes watching me as I work.
 
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