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It was a different kind of alarm, not a metal detector. There are no metal detectors at the land border crossing.

Not necessarily true, have been through a metal detector at the Luohu border once before. Not at any other land borders though.
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Not stolen. Smuggle across the border because the launch in mainland China is usually a couple of weeks after HK.

As of the 6S launch, that's no longer the case. Availability might be constrained, but they launch at the same times. That's one of the other ways Apple is trying to curb the scalping practice (along with these returns policies)
 
Not necessarily true, have been through a metal detector at the Luohu border once before. Not at any other land borders though.
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As of the 6S launch, that's no longer the case. Availability might be constrained, but they launch at the same times. That's one of the other ways Apple is trying to curb the scalping practice (along with these returns policies)

You are right but availability is always an issue on launch.
But I remember buying an iPhone 6 shortly after launch in HK, and you had to wait at least one hour to get one, there were sooo many people, and each person could only buy one.
The other thing is of course the price difference, though it is probably not enough to make smuggling worthwhile.
 
Have you actually read the policy? It involves sending back to the Apple online store and being sent a new one. It's not a case of going into a retail store, giving it to them, and walking out with a new one. Repairing the broken one at the Genius Bar would probably be quicker.

And? The OP said you couldn't exchange. You can in the case of a defective device. If you want an exchange you can go through the process. Others already spoke about the possible reasons for the long process (fraud, deception, etc). Whining about it won't change a damn thing.
 
Excellent answer, thank you.
I am traveling to HK, from USA, in November; my first visit. Is there anything worth buying (for myself or family) in HK that would be a better deal/cheaper than buying it here in US? I'm asking about iPhones, photography gear, and pretty much anything. Thanks.

In HK, Apple devices may not really cheaper than US, because there are no discounts of Apple resellers in HK.

Also, if you to buy an electronic device. Please note that we are using the UK-standard power cord.
 
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Serious question - how does changing the return policy prevent the smuggling into mainland China? Aren't they just looking to take them one-way anyway? Why is the return a concern?

As the launch of new models nears, the market for soon to be previous model phones will collapse. The smugglers will reverse the flow and try to get their money back from Apple. Just like the smugglers, Apple doesn't want to be stuck with large numbers of (returned) previous model phones.
 
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In HK, Apple devices may not really cheaper than US, because there are no discounts of Apple resellers in HK.

Also, if you to buy an electronic device. Please note that we are using the UK-standard power cord.

For Apple products, HK and US prices are very similar (taken the US price excluding tax!). However note that Apple (at least in the past) did not give global warranty on iPhones and iPads - only local HK warranty. Macs have worldwide warranty.
 
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Isn't Hong Kong part of China?
Just like Singapore & Malaysia.
But Singapore is a standalone country.
Hong Kong is under control by mainland China.

Hong Kong have their own Laws, Cultures, Language...
We are using "Traditional Chinese words" and "Speaking Cantonese" in HK.
instead of
"Simplified Chinese words" and "Speaking Putonghua" in China.

People should apply a Visa/Permit card for crossing the boarder between HK/China.
We need to pay international fee for a phone call between China/HK.
We use Hong Kong Dollars instead China Yuen.

If you visit the websites:
The URL should be "com.hk" not ".cn"

Have you still thinking Hong Kong is only a normal city of China now?
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For Apple products, HK and US prices are very similar (taken the US price excluding tax!). However note that Apple (at least in the past) did not give global warranty on iPhones and iPads - only local HK warranty. Macs have worldwide warranty.

Moreover, many US resellers may always selling their Macs cheaper than "suggest price" in Apple Store. Some they also provide a big discount in some special days.

But only "suggest price" available in HK reseller. No return policy for Apple products if there are any problems when you just open box in the shop.
NO seasonal sales, No back to school sales, NO discounts in HK for Apple products.

You may considering those problems before you buy it in HK, not in US.
 
As the launch of new models nears, the market for soon to be previous model phones will collapse. The smugglers will reverse the flow and try to get their money back from Apple. Just like the smugglers, Apple doesn't want to be stuck with large numbers of (returned) previous model phones.

I think this is actually more in readiness for the next launch, preventing scalpers from buying online and then cancelling what they don't need before it comes or returning afterwards. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple changes its policies in Hong Kong to charge and confirm pre-orders for the next iPhone as soon as they are placed (making them uncancellable and now unreturnable)
 
Not necessarily true, have been through a metal detector at the Luohu border once before. Not at any other land borders though.
There is metal detector at on-foot border controls but it is only used for suspicious individuals, probably 1/10th of the total traffic if not less. Some custom officer has to visually identify which people to be thrown at this lane, and an experienced smuggler knows how to avoid this. This is not an airport or high speed rail entry, there is not much risk in letting through metallic objects in fear of hijack. However all hand carried baggages have to go through I think an x-ray scanner like you get in airport, this is why the captioned smuggler needed to strap all the iPhones around his body.
 
There is metal detector at on-foot border controls but it is only used for suspicious individuals, probably 1/10th of the total traffic if not less. Some custom officer has to visually identify which people to be thrown at this lane, and an experienced smuggler knows how to avoid this. This is not an airport or high speed rail entry, there is not much risk in letting through metallic objects in fear of hijack. However all hand carried baggages have to go through I think an x-ray scanner like you get in airport, this is why the captioned smuggler needed to strap all the iPhones around his body.

The day I went through, everyone who used the manual passport queues had to go through the metal detector. I don't know about the electronic ones, perhaps they didn't. Haven't been back that way since to see if it's a new policy or just a random thing.

It is strange how inconsistent they are - perhaps the measures in place in each location are reactionary. For example, in the old Shekou Ferry Terminal (and now in the new cruise terminal that replaced it) everyone has to pass through a metal detector, regardless of origin. I don't think they even have that sort of equipment in Shenzhen Bay checkpoint as I've never seen it, although they do have a huge manual searching room instead.
 
The day I went through, everyone who used the manual passport queues had to go through the metal detector. I don't know about the electronic ones, perhaps they didn't. Haven't been back that way since to see if it's a new policy or just a random thing.

It is strange how inconsistent they are - perhaps the measures in place in each location are reactionary. For example, in the old Shekou Ferry Terminal (and now in the new cruise terminal that replaced it) everyone has to pass through a metal detector, regardless of origin. I don't think they even have that sort of equipment in Shenzhen Bay checkpoint as I've never seen it, although they do have a huge manual searching room instead.
They do change configurations a lot. But it is true that at least at the 2 railway controls, there is a good chance of not needing to get trough a metal detector, otherwise strapping 100 iPhones over your body would never work. And a lot has also changed in recent years, in the past it was relatively easy to, well, "get your special lane if you know which people to be friends with". The current regime seems to have much a tighter nerve on letting that happen, at least not on a laymen / everyday level. Interestingly this led to increased "importing" price for some goods as smuggling is the only way through and it's gotten way too difficult or outright impossible.
 
the suit existed 2000 years ago

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That's kind of strange that people in mainland China have to pay an import tax on goods made in their country. I guess Apple is a foreign company in China because it doesn't pay tax on its profits in China? I'm actually asking; I don't know. How do you determine the native country of a company once it makes and sells stuff all over?

A lot of these factories are in special economic zones in China which means in terms of taxes they are in "international" area so to speak.

Anyways it's not really "import" tax, but rather Value Added Tax and that's 17% in China.
 
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Have you actually read the policy? It involves sending back to the Apple online store and being sent a new one. It's not a case of going into a retail store, giving it to them, and walking out with a new one. Repairing the broken one at the Genius Bar would probably be quicker.
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Your "some say" is wrong. If you buy from an Apple Store, the phone is unlocked.

There are also no blocks on which apps can be installed, nor any blocks on messages sent and received. FaceTime audio is disabled at the request of the carriers. If you knew anything about the state of their infrastructure when the iPhone first came to China, you'd understand why. Why not reimplement it now? Good question. Maybe the encryption makes it less desirable for the Chinese to allow... There are many countries which have banned VOIP outright (Saudi Arabia among them) where FaceTime and FaceTime audio aren't available on phones for that marked. Please don't peddle exaggerations and lies.
Well if you insists that no blocks exists, then so be it. I’m just speaking from personal experience anyways, don’t have to be personal you know ;)
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For Apple products, HK and US prices are very similar (taken the US price excluding tax!). However note that Apple (at least in the past) did not give global warranty on iPhones and iPads - only local HK warranty. Macs have worldwide warranty.
If I’m remembering correctly, the price of iPhones are actually more expensive in HK than in US? But yeah it’s not really worth it to buy Apple products in HK if you can purchase them in US. If you’re from China though that’s a different story.
 
Well if you insists that no blocks exists, then so be it. I’m just speaking from personal experience anyways, don’t have to be personal you know

Pray, do give more details. Because I'd like to help you understand why you're wrong.
 
That's kind of strange that people in mainland China have to pay an import tax on goods made in their country. I guess Apple is a foreign company in China because it doesn't pay tax on its profits in China? I'm actually asking; I don't know. How do you determine the native country of a company once it makes and sells stuff all over?

its how its set up. The company isn't based on China so they have to pay import tax.
and the smuggling isn't just about taxes. its also about how China has had laws about no wifi, pre programmed VPNs etc so the government can track and monitor folks
 
its how its set up. The company isn't based on China so they have to pay import tax.
and the smuggling isn't just about taxes. its also about how China has had laws about no wifi, pre programmed VPNs etc so the government can track and monitor folks
Hong Kong should be thought of as a separate country in this respect. It has its own laws that are based on the British system whereas Mainland China is based on Chinese law. Because of this, and values brought by British rule, HK is a vastly more mature country in legal and social values.

So taxes being different is not surprising. I live in HK and if you don't get to buy the next iPhone online in the first 5 minutes of release you cannot buy it in the shop for over a year. This is because the mainland hordes would buy them in bulk so Apple chooses not to sell them over the counter (even in 1's and 2's) As it is, go to any Apple Store in the first month after release and you are swamped by mainlanders offering double an more for your new iPhone.
It's pretty sad to see a mature, almost first world state, get dragged down by its 3rd world occupier/owner.
 
Hong Kong should be thought of as a separate country in this respect. It has its own laws that are based on the British system whereas Mainland China is based on Chinese law. Because of this, and values brought by British rule, HK is a vastly more mature country in legal and social values.

"Scalpers often attempt to illegally smuggle new iPhones across the border to mainland China to make significant profits."

guess you missed that part. Hong Kong isn't where they are going so it doesn't matter what their laws are.
 
Isn't Hong Kong part of China?
Oh dear...
I don't even know where to begin on this one. FYI, it is a very ugly topic.
Hong Kongers are known to self identify as "Hong Kongers" rather than "Chinese".
It really depends on who do you ask, even among Hong Kongers.
 
its how its set up. The company isn't based on China so they have to pay import tax.
and the smuggling isn't just about taxes. its also about how China has had laws about no wifi, pre programmed VPNs etc so the government can track and monitor folks
I am afraid your information is at least couple years old. Losing WiFi and blocking VPNs and Youtube-like apps on iOS was only true during iPhone 3G/3GS era, at that time the Apple itself has not yet landed its 1st retail shop in China, and had to rely on 3G carrier(s), whom for monopoly and political reasons locked out WiFi on the iPhones. They sold poorly in fact, probably something to do with how crippled they were. Ever since iPhone 4 the Mainland Chinese unit is functionally the same as any worldwide unlocked unit, with small differences in radio or minor components. The government figured out better ways to lock people out of censored channels via the network, the carriers, Apple Store and so on.

If being uncrippled were the biggest reason for the reverse-import of anything back into the border, there is no chance that the government wouldn't have taken measures to stop it. The smuggling grey market of iPhones is mainly, if not purely, economy driven.
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what the hell are you talking about?
As ridiculous as it sounded, the Mainland Chinese version of iPhone 3G/3GS actually did have no ****ing WiFi.
 
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As ridiculous as it sounded, the Mainland Chinese version of iPhone 3G/3GS actually did have no ****ing WiFi.

I thought the first iphone sold in china was the iphone 4 or 4S. Did not know about this... I don't believe from my research it was sold unlocked (it was a China Unicom only thing?) so I guess that could explain why.
 
"Scalpers often attempt to illegally smuggle new iPhones across the border to mainland China to make significant profits."

guess you missed that part. Hong Kong isn't where they are going so it doesn't matter what their laws are.
You seem a bit narrow in your perception. Do you see that I'm illustrating the environment of how this happens and that HK is different? HK is culturally miles apart from mainland China, so without the scalpers HK buyers would be able to get the phones like everyone else does. Because of the Ferengi like mad scrambling greed of the mainlanders, HK locals are restricted in how they can buy the phones.
 
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