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That’s why so many people with even older phones found iOS 12 so good.
Yea after the disaster known as iOS 11 and when Apple was caught throttling old iPhones, Apple had to at least give one good update to calm the masses.
 
That’s why so many people with even older phones found iOS 12 so good.

Because they were caught with their pants down with iOS 11. They had to do damage control with iOS 12.

And I would not say iOS 12 lacked planned obsolescence. They improved the speed on older devices at the cost of battery life. The 6s on iOS 9 would last twice as long as on iOS 12.
 
Because they were caught with their pants down with iOS 11. They had to do damage control with iOS 12.

And I would not say iOS 12 lacked planned obsolescence. They improved the speed on older devices at the cost of battery life. The 6s on iOS 9 would last twice as long as on iOS 12.

I too like to make up "statistics" with no, or anecdotal sources.

Provide reputable sources for specific claims.
 
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Yea after the disaster known as iOS 11 and when Apple was caught throttling old iPhones, Apple had to at least give one good update to calm the masses.
Because they were caught with their pants down with iOS 11. They had to do damage control with iOS 12.

And I would not say iOS 12 lacked planned obsolescence. They improved the speed on older devices at the cost of battery life. The 6s on iOS 9 would last twice as long as on iOS 12.
So basically to make one conspiracy theory apply to situations where it doesn’t fit, another one has to be brought in. That pretty much speaks for itself.
 
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So basically to make one conspiracy theory apply to situations where it doesn’t fit, another one has to be brought in. That pretty much speaks for itself.
Explain why Apple didn't announce beforehand that they were throttling performance? Why did it have to get leaked for them to release a statement. And what came out of it? The battery replacement program. So what they were trying to do was hide the fact that the iPhone 6s was defectively made, and for a bonus perk gave consumers incentive to buy the newest iPhone (at the time) because your phone suddenly became slow.
No conspiracy's here.
 
That’s because Apple engages in planned obsolescence after the original OS the device ships with.

Apple doesn't do it on purpose. Some people are never happy. If Apple doesn't give you the update, you cry and say "Apple is forcing me to buy a new phone". If Apple does give you the update, you complain about the software being slow. Especially when your phone is a couple years old and has already seen some major updates. Like iOS 7 for the iPhone 4 or iOS 8/9 for the iPhone 4s or iOS 10 for the iPhone 5/5c. Newer software on older hardware = Device gets slower. And also when you have an old and degraded battery. Just get your battery replaced for the 50$ Apple asks for (free under AppleCare+) and your phone won't throttle. And you don't even notice the performance decrease when you update the device after it's first year, for example there was no difference between iOS 7 and 8 on the 5s.

I agree that Apple should not have released iOS 9 for the A5 chipset devices (iPhone 4s/iPad 2/1st gen iPad mini/iPod touch 5th gen), but other than that, i am glad that Apple provides updates for older devices for such a long period of time (4 - 6 years). iPhone 5s got 6 (!) years of updates, not only security and bugfixes, but also features. iOS 12 can do way more stuff than the original iOS 7. And who is keeping their phone for 5 years anyways?
 
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shouldn't each new version of iOS be actually faster than the previous one because they optimize and fix their **** in the meantime?
 
shouldn't each new version of iOS be actually faster than the previous one because they optimize and fix their **** in the meantime?

Sometimes. If they improve their previous version. For example, iOS 12 was faster than iOS 11. They kept the performance in mind and iOS 11 wasn't a very good release of iOS either way, so iOS 12 fixed alot of stuff and made the overall experience better. Still, on the iPhone 5s/6, iOS 7/8 was faster than the latest release for those devices, iOS 12.
 
Won't update existing devices to iOS 13 until they release a version of iTunes 12.6 that supports app installation from the desktop from macOS prior to High Sierra.

I still have HS/12.6 for the apps part, but it won't update iOS or iOSpad or whatever it is on my iPad or iPhoneSE with 13. I have to update them OTA now. Synching all still seems to work, but I'm not really sure what is being backed up anymore. There are some apps that generate a message during sync like 'this app can only be installed on an iOS device', like it WON'T keep a copy on my MacBook. There's just starting to be too many gotchas with all of this stuff no matter what the version is of anything. It's a house of cards, but for now the cards are thick cardboard, instead of thick paper.
 
And create a support nightmare. Yes, that's CERTAINLY a good idea.
What support nightmare? They already tell people to update as soon as you contact support, it won’t be any different in the future.
By the way: if it creates a support nightmare, so be it. Let me choose.
 
This thread reminded me to update my iPad Air to from iOS 12.4.1 to 12.4.2.

Was expecting it to be just a small update, but it's 2.76 GB! Taking about 1.5 hours to download on my not-so-fast connection, doing it via iTunes on Mac Mini plugged into the iPad.
 
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I keep hearing about the Mail issues but what are they? I’ve been on 13 for a few weeks and haven’t noticed anything crazy about the Mail app but I don’t use it super often.
 
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This is interesting. My iPhone 6s and iPad Pro 10.5 have not even received any pushed OTA updates for iOS 13. They’re all still on 12.4.1. Not complaining though. Rather see all you guys do the beta testing than me. :D

With the current status of iOS 13 it could be a ‘planned obsolescence’ lawsuit waiting to happen.
 
Quality of iOS is tied to sales data. Quota met then iOS quality is up. Quota not met then negative iOS experience with forced obsolescence along with shorter signing window of previous stable version like 12.4.1 in this case.
 
I'm still on iOS 12 and El Capitan. I can still install apps using iTunes 12.6
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I imagine someday they will reactivate signing for iOS 12 for those devices that slow to a crawl with future iOS versions.

Apple did this for my iPhone 4S. They started signing iOS 6 again and I downgraded and then iOS 8.4 shows up as an update and I applied that. Stayed off iOS 9 since it was unusable.
But can you download apps right in iTunes 12.6?
 
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