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'Apple Store' App for iOS Updated to Support New Self-Checkout System for Retail Stores

sevimli said:
how about the TAX?

Assume my credit card in iTunes has a billing address is in Oregon (no sales tax), if I make a purchase in another state, will they charge me for local sales tax, or no sales tax? :confused:
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I would guess it knows where you are and chanrge you based on that location.
 
mysticbluebmw said:
Literally millions of iPhone 4 and 4S users and it's pointless?? lol!
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Well, there are vastly more numbers of people without Apple phones (of any kind) than there are people with them. We all know that.

It's common sense to may any payment system accessible to the whole population, not just the minority of the public.
 
Piggie said:
Well, there are vastly more numbers of people without Apple phones (of any kind) than there are people with them. We all know that.

It's common sense to may any payment system accessible to the whole population, not just the minority of the public.
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So then under this rational, Apple should make this available to no one, since they can't make it available to everyone? Ridiculous. Not only that, but its not like a person without an iPhone cant still pay using one of the other methods in or out of the store :rolleyes:

And just as an aside, remember that people shopping in an apple store are prob much more likely to have an iphone than the rest of the general population.
 
duncanapple said:
So then under this rational, Apple should make this available to no one, since they can't make it available to everyone? Ridiculous. Not only that, but its not like a person without an iPhone cant still pay using one of the other methods in or out of the store :rolleyes:

And just as an aside, remember that people shopping in an apple store are prob much more likely to have an iphone than the rest of the general population.
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No they just need to work with the other major phone makers and out together a compatible payment method that all phones can use.

I know working with others is not something Apple does very well though unfortunately :(

You have been able to pay for things using mobile phones for years and years in Japan I believe.
 
No one has still provided insight on how Apple will make the distinction between walking up to an accessory, pointing your phone at it and then walking out -- opposed to actually tendering payment here.

What's to stop someone from doing that?
 
My concern would be with Shoplifting, or being falsely accused of doing so. I already feel strange carrying a box to a person, doing a transaction, and having no receipt for my transaction (I have it emailed to myself).

How would the general public, or other Apple employees know I actually paid for the Airport Base Station I am walking out with? :confused:

Les Kern said:
No.
And it's why I refuse to go through the self-service lines at the supermarket.
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What's why? You provided no reason, just the word no.

I usually avoid those, because 9 times out of 10, it stops me midway through my transaction, because their system doesn't recognize one of the 15 PLU codes on the bag of apples I am buying, or tells me it is an illegal weight, or "unexpected item in bagging area" :mad:
 
Piggie said:
No they just need to work with the other major phone makers and out together a compatible payment method that all phones can use.

I know working with others is not something Apple does very well though unfortunately :(

You have been able to pay for things using mobile phones for years and years in Japan I believe.
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No, they don't. That technology exists, it's called NFC and it's just starting to gain traction in the US. Has to be built into the hardware.

This is simply an offered convenience for their customers who have recent iPhones and it ties into your iTunes Store account. The same way you can check in to genus appointments using the app.

They are not forcing you to use it and it's not like they won't sell you something if you don't have the app/phone.
 
notromeel said:
No one has still provided insight on how Apple will make the distinction between walking up to an accessory, pointing your phone at it and then walking out -- opposed to actually tendering payment here.

What's to stop someone from doing that?
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Actually, I think I found a way after looking into it. RFID tags provide a unique identification on it's chip. Apple could embed these chips behind the UPC barcode, so while scanning the UPC to tender the sale, the RFID chip # is sent to Apple's servers as paid for, deactivated, then would be able to exit the premise without activating the alarm. It's my understanding you don't need visible alarm towers either, alarm sensors can be hidden in walls, ceilings, etc and programmed to read/detect a certain area.
 
840quadra said:
How would the general public, or other Apple employees know I actually paid for the Airport Base Station I am walking out with? :confused:
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There was already a 10 million post thread when this feature was originally reported on discussing/arguing over the logistics of how this will work - including speculation about the [eventual] implementation of RFID tech, and advance theft techniques using well dressed women and children.
 
notromeel said:
No one has still provided insight on how Apple will make the distinction between walking up to an accessory, pointing your phone at it and then walking out -- opposed to actually tendering payment here.

What's to stop someone from doing that?
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I'm wondering the same thing. It seems stupidly easy for someone to pretend to pay and walk out. Obviously, this won't work with the more expensive items, but there are a number of of $100+ items just sitting no the shelves.
 
Nielsenius said:
I'm wondering the same thing. It seems stupidly easy for someone to pretend to pay and walk out. Obviously, this won't work with the more expensive items, but there are a number of of $100+ items just sitting no the shelves.
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I'm only guessing, but I imagine the app will generate a receipt or code of some kind that will be displayed on your screen.
 
iPad version?

I'm actually just amazed that this app is still not universal. If they can't get the scanning part to work on the iPad that is fine but how can they not have a shopping app for the iPad after all this time? The iPad is perfect for browsing. Notice that Amazon has multiple iPad shopping apps: Amazon Mobile, Amazon Windowshop, Zappos Mobile...
 
sevimli said:
how about the TAX?

Assume my credit card in iTunes has a billing address is in Oregon (no sales tax), if I make a purchase in another state, will they charge me for local sales tax, or no sales tax? :confused:
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Really dude? If you buy something in person, you pay the sales tax that the state you are making the purchase.
 
I wonder if some of those questioning the shoplifting aspect has ever been to an Apple store. This is not that much of a change, as far as walking out with no bag and no receipt.

When I go I always have receipt emailed to me and usually don't need a bag. I see plenty of others doing the same thing. I have on occasion stayed in the store looking around at other things, with the item I bought in hand. The Apple employees do not escort you to the door or anything and usually are off to another customer as soon as they email receipt.

But it has always been my understanding that security was always there, with much attention paid to it by Apple. Whether through allegedly former/current employees reporting about it, or through observation and common sense, I felt if you tried to walk out with an unpaid item you would not get very far.

On the other hand in the USA the most shoplifted item is not even an electronic item. It is meat.



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What about the iTunes credit situation??? Can someone test this out?!?
 
840quadra said:
My concern would be with Shoplifting, or being falsely accused of doing so. I already feel strange carrying a box to a person, doing a transaction, and having no receipt for my transaction (I have it emailed to myself).

How would the general public, or other Apple employees know I actually paid for the Airport Base Station I am walking out with? :confused:
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notromeel said:
No one has still provided insight on how Apple will make the distinction between walking up to an accessory, pointing your phone at it and then walking out -- opposed to actually tendering payment here.

What's to stop someone from doing that?
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Nielsenius said:
I'm wondering the same thing. It seems stupidly easy for someone to pretend to pay and walk out. Obviously, this won't work with the more expensive items, but there are a number of of $100+ items just sitting no the shelves.
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Again, as loads of other people have already said many times before: YOU CAN DO ALL OF THE ABOVE ALREADY and have been able to do so for years. This system is no more vulnerable to shoplifting than the system it replaces where you 'check out' via a sales assistant on the shop floor and get you receipt emailed to you. There will be NO regular checking of receipts at the exit and NO fancy RFID or laser systems because their isn't now and THE RISK HASN'T CHANGED.

Rather than just criticise or question this new facility in isolation, you need to compare it with what it's replacing.
 
uk1simon said:
No easy pay or store pick up in the UK with V2.0
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i'm sure it has something to do with the idiotic laws prevelant in europe

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revelated said:
Because the Wi-Fi that dominates Apple Stores is totally insufficient.
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nope, it's probably a fraud prevention measure. if you buy it on the iphone then along with your credit card apple will also capture the phone number of the phone along with iMEI and other data. phone number is active and linked to a carrier.

nothing on wifi only devices will link you to an active account at a cell carrier
 
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