Don't forget the Speakers built in!
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Apple Studio Display v. LG 5K
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Don't forget the Speakers built in!
However there is way for 4k dual display by using something like this:
IMHO you may wish to also consider the scaling unless your eyes are good enuf to use these at native resolution.
QHD 2560x1440 effective desktop sizing is often considered the sweet spot for 27" displays.
With a 5K display that's an integer scaling of 1:2 and with 4K it's a non-integer scaling of 2:3 -- which can reduce crispness and also puts some load on the GPU.
Whether that load is impactful will depend on the computer. Can folks get away with 4K at 27", accepting some loss of quality and efficiency? Sure. Not what I would want to do though - rather just stay at QHD at 27" until/unless I can go to 5K.
I have 4 other LG displays I purchased for our studio while Apple twiddled it's thumbs for a few years. The LGs (4k) are clunky and didn't hold their color. I tried--meaning I went nowhere in the labyrinth that is LG customer support--to get help or replace them. Absolutely worth the $300 add to buy from Apple.
Yep, it would definitely mean using non-integer scaling, but I think the difference in crispness and GPU load is very, very minor. So minor that the default effective resolution for 2016-2019 MacBook Pros used non-integer scaling, and I never saw many complaints about it. MacOS does scaling smarter than Windows, and a lot of things, such as images, get displayed at native resolution regardless of what scaling ratio you choose.
2 points:
1) why is everyone assuming the Studio Display will have reliable ports? As far as I can tell, the ports look exactly the same as the Ultrafine 5K? I 50/50 odds they have the same build quality, since the specs of the studio display are identical panel-wise. I don't think the aluminum chassis has anything to do with the ports being more durable. From my own Ultrafine 5k, any tension or pull on the port will eventually break the port.
2) the microphone on the Ultrafine 5K, I think its not so good. sounds pretty boomy on my end in my zoom calls. hope the Studio Display has a better microphone. can anyone else comment on their ultrafine's microphone quality?
1) why is everyone assuming the Studio Display will have reliable ports? As far as I can tell, the ports look exactly the same as the Ultrafine 5K? I 50/50 odds they have the same build quality, since the specs of the studio display are identical panel-wise. I don't think the aluminum chassis has anything to do with the ports being more durable. From my own Ultrafine 5k, any tension or pull on the port will eventually break the port.
2) the microphone on the Ultrafine 5K, I think its not so good. sounds pretty boomy on my end in my zoom calls. hope the Studio Display has a better microphone. can anyone else comment on their ultrafine's microphone quality?
Is this really a widespread issue? You can just zip-tie or velcro-wrap the cable to the stand if you're worried about this. Leave a loop and the strain on the connector will be nearly zero. I've never had any trouble setting up my devices such that cable strain is minimal.
It's not like this is a portable device; 99% of the plugging/unplugging you're going to do will be the other end of the cable if you're using a laptop.
I suspect folks are hoping Apple wouldn't release a product with unreliable ports. Granted Apple's not had a perfect track record, but one would hope they spec'd a decently durable design.
Specs for the display aren't the quite the same; 600nits for the Studio Display vs 500 nits for the LG. Not to mention @Pressure's post above suggesting the panels are different.
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Is that confirmed? Apple‘s website doesn’t state whether it is true 10-bit. Or is that the only way to claim “1 billion colors”?
If you watch the event video, the case is machined aluminum. This would indicate that the ports will have the same mechanical design as all the other aluminum-cased machines it sells, which will break the cable before it breaks the port. This would make the ports more reliable because abuse of the cable will not get transferred to the connector, regardless of whether these are the same design as the LG 5K motherboard or not.
Remember that Apple actually has AppleCare and stuff coming back costs a lot more money than designing it right in the first place.
I just want to point out that Apple has a LONG history of not designing things right in the first place. I would not bank on this monitor not having issues that other Apple monitors have had over the years and I include the LG in this since it is at the very least using a panel heavily based on the UltraFine's panel. However, I would agree that it is unlikely to have issues like the connectors breaking, although Apple MacBook Pros have had that issue so...
Do not buy the LG 5K. I own one and the image retention is awful. Good luck getting LG to fix it or finding a repair shop.
If the Apple Studio display exhibits image retention then at least you can take it to the Apple store, whereas the LG 5K is treated as if it doesn't exist.
If the Apple Studio display exhibits image retention then at least you can take it to the Apple store, whereas the LG 5K is treated as if it doesn't exist.
This alone will drive sales of the Apple Studio Display. That said, I did pay LG the $89 for the extended warranty and got my UltraFine 5K fixed when the screen suddenly gave out. Not sure what would have happened if it were out of warranty.
If the Studio Display is using the same panel or a derivative panel, which seems to be the case, wouldn't image retention still be an issue? Of course, the option of AppleCare can help that as long as it covers image retention, which I am sure it does.
It isn’t the same panel. The screen hits 600 nits vs 500. Also, it is a true 10-bit display vs. 8+2. In any case, the difference is that it’s easy to find an Apple Store or authorized repair center if there is a problem. Getting an out-of-warranty LG monitor fixed is an issue.
Don’t get me wrong. I like the LG UltraFine 5k and if Apple didn’t release the Studio Display would probably keep it for another few years. But given the Apple support and the new features I decided to take the plunge. I’ll be listing the LG 5K on the MarketPlace next month for anyone interested.
Maybe I should have also contextualized that they also design a hell of a lot of stuff. It seems impossible to get everything right, but they seem to have a better success percentage of it than most companies out there. Or am I just drinking too much kool aid?
I don't know. They have had a lot of high profile blunders such as the CoreDuo MacBook Pro, the white plastic issues, iPhone 4, 2016 MacBook Pro Keyboard, display problems, etc. But it could also be that they are high profile because its Apple and people love hating. I do not think they have more design and build issues than any other manufacturer, but I also don't know that they have fewer. I will say they generally do have good support that does fix the problem even in times when they are slow to admit the problem. That is definitely worth something.
It hasn't been confirmed that the Studio Display has the same panel as the 6 year old LG one. I'm hoping someone can figure that out once they've been delivered to customers, maybe, iFixIt could.
That for me will be the deciding factor, why pay so much for a very old display panel. Surely something better is right on the horizon after all those years?
That for me will be the deciding factor, why pay so much for a very old display panel. Surely something better is right on the horizon after all those years?
It sounds like it is probably the next iteration of the same panel. Even if it is new, the tech in it really isn't and we are on the precipice of significant changes in computer monitors such as miniLED, microLED (further off), and QD-OLED plus higher refresh rates that are already present. As much as I am disappointed in the refresh rate, the fact that it is an edge-lit LCD is probably the biggest disappointment.
That would be great if it was a true 10 bit. FRC can be irritating to the eyes.
Edit: this claims that panel you referenced uses 8bit+Hi FRC.
www.panelook.com
Is there an official source for this info from LG?
Edit: this claims that panel you referenced uses 8bit+Hi FRC.
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Is there an official source for this info from LG?
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