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Apple Sues Over Leak

AidenShaw said:
Hmmmm... A frequent contributor to a rumors site argues that those who actually contribute true information should be punished. Now that's too funny. ;) (Not that I don't agree with you about honoring an NDA, but why follow a rumors site unless you're looking for info that Apple doesn't want you to know?)
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Not all of us come here just for rumors. But a bit hypocritical, I'll give you that. We want to know what's coming, but we don't want Apple getting hurt.

A lot of hypocrisy in the Real Harmony thread too - let Apple throw its weight around defending its position in music, yet punish Microsoft by claiming that each and every innovation from Redmond is somehow connected with bribing the Bush DOJ.
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Several people had a problem with that for some reason and claim that Apple is just like M$, but a lot of people just hate Real. If iTunes were a monopoly instead of just being the most successful online store, then there might be a problem. But if you want an iPod, the easiest way to use it is with iTunes. There are other options that don't involving hacking and trying to jump on the bandwagon of a successful competitor. No one said you couldn't buy a song from Real's store and use a competitors product, or burn a CD and re-rip it. If Real really cared about freedom, they'd selling files without DRM, which would work just fine.

And we don't have a problem with Microsoft's innovations, it's when they bully, lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead. Then just release a crappy product. Kinda like Real.

Oh, and don't forget to bash Motorola - even while IBM's ineptitude is causing Apple to delay new systems, and to trickle out systems with even minor speed bumps.
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Plenty of us complain about IBM, comparing them to Motorola. Who's defending IBM, yet bashing Moto? Usually we defend both, or criticize both. We hope IBM isn't a like that, but we're still pretty early in the game. If the G5 starts sucking, believe me, we'll complain.

Ridicule Microsoft for quality problems, while praising Apple for 10.3.7 (even though it was obviously rushed out to undo some of the damage done by 10.3.6). Mock Microsoft for security bugs, while Apple opens up a security hole in Apache that's simply astounding.
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Plenty of people get upset with Apple when they screw something like that up (iBooks, 10.2.8, etc), mostly because we're used to getting quality, which we do pay more for. People are just more used to it from M$, so it's just expected. Apple isn't perfect, and they do make mistakes, but I know a lot more people who rarely have problems than those few who do complain when they have problems.

What about all of the posts where people are leary of updating right away, then relieved when nothing goes wrong? I usually see a bunch of them.

And lets see:
Apple - couple of security issues and buggy products here and there. Usually fixed fairly quickly. Sometimes not. Complaints of just like M$ either way.
M$ - constant security problems and years of bad software. People unhappy with feeling like they are forced to use a crappy product to run the programs they need to run. :sarcasm: Just like with iPod and iTunes! :sarcasm: Oh wait, both of those are pretty good (though iTunes can lag on a slower PC with a ton of songs and other stuff running, I'll give you that).

And, of course, ignore real news like Apple's Xsan falls behind schedule.... :eek:
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That kinda pisses me off, but what are you gonna do... whenever they try to be deadline driven (like M$) instead of quality driven, they suffer. Either they're late or they release an unfinished product. Either way, people will (and should) complain. I don't think many will complain much about the xSan because everyone is kind-of expecting it to keep being delayed. Apple probably should have waited to announce it, but I guess they wanted people to be excited and thought they'd have it ready by now. Instead, people will be pissed... and some will keep waiting. Others won't.

That, and most of us don't actually know what it does.

What an entertaining forum !! ;)
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Yes it is. Zealots and trolls certainly can be fun.

AidenShaw said:
What if Apple had figured out a way to play WMA protected content on the Ipod, and then Microsoft tweaked it a bit to disable Apple's "hack"? Would there be a chorus of "Good for Microsoft, it needs to protect its innovations in DRM"? Not likely

You're assuming that Apple's fixed a bug, just like I'm assuming that they deliberately blocked a competitor.

Someday the truth will come out.
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That's the thing, they wouldn't have to do that. They'd just release a really cool, yet really expensive, product that everybody would want, and nobody would buy. And half of the competitors would copy them and release cheaper, yet not as good, products. M$ would do it's usual buy and bully thing, and people would eat it up even though it's not that good, with a couple of us saying there's a better product out there while no one listens.

The truth is, Real wanted to piggy back on Apple's success (with a Windows only store BTW), and Apple said, what's in it for us. They like to control the hardware and software, for better or worse, and if you don't like it no one is forcing you to use iTunes or the iPod. Music, unlike software, can be played anywhere.

What I don't understand is what difference the technical nature of the problem has on the effect.

As shipped, for quite some time Apple's Apache implementation had a huge security hole. Apple has fixed the problem, does the fact that it was a configuration change rather than a code change mean anything?
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You got me on this one. If there was problem, even if it wasn't their fault, they should have fixed it earlier. If it's fixed now, good. If not, I hope they fix it.

Doesn't change the fact that Windows sucks.

It's just amusing how any story of "$COMPANY$ sues", or "$COMPANY$ issues security warning" or "$COMPANY$ blocks competitor" is interpreted differently depending on whether COMPANY is "Microsoft" or "Apple", "Motorola" or "IBM", "RIAA" or....

Just amusing to see the rationalizations, that's all.
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It's simple. Apple is good because it makes good products, even if it screws up sometimes (and is an evil, faceless corporation run by a meglomaniacal, egomaniacal, perfectionist - who happens to make cool stuff). Even if their stuff is expensive. Microsoft is bad because it makes bad products, and lied and cheated and stole to get where it is, even if it sometimes does something good. And they are deadline driven vs. quality driven (see above). Plus Steve Balmer is a dancing monkey-boy (seriously, what is wrong with him?).

Motorola screwed us over for years. IBM came out with a cool product that they are struggling with. One gave up early on. One is trying, and is somewhat succeeding. Just not as well as we had hoped.

The RIAA just sucks because they rip off artists and fans, then get pissed of when people want to use their products. The caveat being, they have every right to protect their work. Artists don't have to sign, fans don't have to listen. Some people just have a problem with the way they are going about it.

As I'm sure you are well aware, the ends do not justify the means.

Face it Aiden, we're not all sheep. We like Apple's products, and are willing to defend them for tiny mistakes just as we criticize them when they screw up. That's why people like the iPod, it's a good product (and yeah, people can be sheep, and want what everybody else has, but this time it's working in our favor). Some of us can be a little enthusiastic at times, but to be fair, I think a lot of us just hate Microsoft's products, and the way they do business. Some of us are just happy we have products that generally work well, without getting in our way, nor giving us the hassles that those in the Windows world suffer (including a lot of us who have to use Windows when we aren’t using our Macs).

And while some of us will forgive Apple no matter what (which is bad) and some criticize no matter what (also bad), most of us are a little forgiving, but always watching to make sure they don’t become what they oppose. You seem like a pretty smart guy Aiden, so I think you, of all people, should be able to understand that.

Thank you, and good night.

(typing this from a crappy XP box at work, getting by with a Win2000 box at home and my trusty G3, looking forward to my new G5 coming early next year)
 
solvs said:
If Real really cared about freedom, they'd selling files without DRM, which would work just fine.
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I'm not defending Real or anything, but i think that the RIAA demand that all music files that you can legally download must have some kind of DRM. A minor niggle in your argument i know, but a huge problem for REAL who want to profit from 'Harmony".
 
SiliconAddict said:
And then there is the whole going after the rumor site's sources which IMHO is a serious slap against freedom of the press. I hope someone takes on Apple. Is there not legal precedent on the right to protect one's sources?
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No right is absolute when it infringes on another's, i.e. Apple's NDAs. Apple has every right to go after those that violate signed agreements with them. A low volume Garageband add-on may not be a big fish but what if some new technology they were developing leaked and gave its competitors an advantage they would otherwise not have had?
 
Wow! I can't believe they're going after people just like US! Watch out what you speculate here, Apple might think you once worked there and signed an NDA, then come after YOU! :eek:

Very doubtful. But I still stand by the fact that Apple should have just let the leak slide, therefore not letting the public know what had actually been leaked, and left everything up to speculation. Yeah, someone could leak something even bigger than Asteroid, or whatever this lawsuits about, but they could just ignore that as well, and it would just remain a RUMOR. Silly Apple. :rolleyes:
 
ASP272 said:
Wow! I can't believe they're going after people just like US! Watch out what you speculate here, Apple might think you once worked there and signed an NDA, then come after YOU! :eek:

Very doubtful. But I still stand by the fact that Apple should have just let the leak slide, therefore not letting the public know what had actually been leaked, and left everything up to speculation. Yeah, someone could leak something even bigger than Asteroid, or whatever this lawsuits about, but they could just ignore that as well, and it would just remain a RUMOR. Silly Apple. :rolleyes:
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So whats the precident for this sort of thing? Do the people end up paying millions of dollars? How is that possible if they dont have that kind of moneys?
 
maddav said:
I'm not defending Real or anything, but i think that the RIAA demand that all music files that you can legally download must have some kind of DRM. A minor niggle in your argument i know, but a huge problem for REAL who want to profit from 'Harmony".
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There's always indies and making their own player. Frankly I'm just surprised anyone actually read my post once I saw how big it was.

Heart Break Kid said:
So whats the precedent for this sort of thing? Do the people end up paying millions of dollars? How is that possible if they don't have that kind of moneys?
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The last guy had to pretty much promise he'd never do it again. It's basically a scare tactic. If the guy signed an NDA, he could be sued, but they wouldn't get anything and they know it. I guess he could hide behind the First Amendment, but I'm sure there's a precedent for releasing a trade secret for a company you work for. He'd be better off just saying he's sorry and not doing it again.

Until he incurs the wrath of the Steve, that is.
 
Heart Break Kid said:
turns out apple is suing over tiger leaks
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Hmmmm... I think an "I told you so" to those people that kept trying to make the hollow argument that getting a copy of Tiger through illegal means was perfectly alright just won't do this time.

Oh well, I told you so anyway. I'll think of something better to say later. :D

Let the flames come to me...
 
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