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even if Psystar won apple could go around it because they would have to sell their OS (they would never be forced to give it away) therefore they could sell their OS for say $1000 and then do complimentary knock say 900 dollars off of the hardware price for purchasing the OS so apple wins regardless they will win the actual legal battle however so if they play dirty we play dirty

Then no one could afford to upgrade. And by "we" do you consider yourself part of Apple?
 
I suspect Microsoft doesn't fear Apple as much as it fears Google.

My money is on a Chinese corporation. Just because they're fun to blame things on. And they like to put melamine in things.
 
I certainly hope Apple keeps pushing this line in court. They'll look a right bunch of chumps. The DMCA addition was desperation. It just doesn't apply.

This is beyond desperation.

If only Apple hadn't changed to making PC clones and trying to limit OS X to their machines, by EULA... talk about dumb.

And now they're going to pay. The EULA is going to be declared invalid in court, and everyone is going to get their Mac netbook ! It just won't be made by Apple... because they're too up themselves to serve their customers needs. (We make a netbook, it's called the MacBook Air... right...)

If people want to buy a leaf-blower and run OS X, that's a sale of OS X for Apple that THEY were never going to get anyway. Somebody wants a quiet, quality machine that won't let them down... they'll buy Apple.

Apple is under no obligation to support crap PC hardware, but if manufacturers make something to Apple's standard, let them sell OS X. Might even improve the general standard of PC's too.

Now that's a legacy worth having, Apple.
 
Common Apple just license your OS already. I know so many people that want OS X, but just can't afford/justify the Apple tax.

Yeah Yeah I remember the Apple clones of the 90s, but this is a different age and time.

Apple is a HARDWARE company. OS X exists to sell Macs. If Apple licenses OS X, the price of the OS will go up EXPONENTIALLY.
 
That would be a disaster. There's no way they can win. Mac users like us will still stick with Apple obviously. This will hurt Apple's market share and credibility. The more people than use the OS X platform, the more idiots are gonna want to program viruses.

Don't count on it. I've been a Mac user for over 2 decades and I'm completely disgusted with them of late. There is ONE machine in the lineup that I think is anywhere worth buying, and that's the Mac Pro. If someone else offered an OS X-running midtower or a portable that doesn't suck (seeing as Apple doesn't make any, in my opinion), I'd be all over it.
 
Don't count on it. I've been a Mac user for over 2 decades and I'm completely disgusted with them of late. There is ONE machine in the lineup that I think is anywhere worth buying, and that's the Mac Pro. If someone else offered an OS X-running midtower or a portable that doesn't suck (seeing as Apple doesn't make any, in my opinion), I'd be all over it.

whats so bad about macs these days?
 
I have written here many times that I'm absolutely sure it was Psystar's intent from day one to let Apple sue them. They were just baiting Apple. Why? It's a gamble. and a not so good gamble for Apple. Apple is the only one who has anything to loose. Psystar has nothing to loose, no assets. But if they win they win big. Why not take a gamble if there is nothing to loose?

First, DMCA is now in play. Psystar are now looking jail time in the face. No way is this risk worth it.

Second, Psystar's lawyers are big time. There is no way a puny startup can afford them. And why is Psystar continuing to provoke Apple with new products while this remains unresolved?

Third, Psystar's absurd arguments about monopoly and constitutionality are very familiar to people who read Groklaw. There are a suspicious number of people buzzing around Linux who espouse the same ridiculous arguments and seem to me motivated beyond what their visible funding should allow.

A conspiracy seems very likely to me. I expect this to lead to Microsoft before we're done.
 
pastry is an anagram of pystar...and steve ballmer likes pastries. Coincidence? I think not.

Close... so close.... but unfortunately it is pSystar and not pystar, but you could go with pastrys even if it is bad spelling.



No sane lawyer would take this case on contingency. They're getting paid per hour.

And isn't it normal for large corporations to set up lawsuits through puppet entities? I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, just how things work in corporate law.

No sane large company (in this case Microsoft, Dell, IBM, Acer etc) would want to get caught with their fingers in the pie as once that link is made they expose themselves to lawsuit(s) that could be quite costly.
 
The EULA is going to be declared invalid in court, and everyone is going to get their Mac netbook !

OS X is copyrighted by Apple. No one has a right to it except Apple. The EULA is a license to use Apple's software: without it, you have zero right.

So the end of the EULA does not mean Apple's OS suddenly becomes available. Quite the opposite.
 
Someone at AppleInsider called it. I don't remember who it was but someone had a hunch some bigger companies were behind this to test the waters.
 
I think that this guy looks awfully suspicious:

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Do you think that he might have had something to do with it? :D

Hah! That's what I was thinking. Nice mug, Mr. Gates.
 
They're great if you want something shiny.

Personally, I want a small notebook: Apple doesn't make any.

I'd also like to complement my Mac Pro with a midtower: Apple doesn't make any.

okay, i'll give you those points. i really do miss the 12" powerbook, and i wish i could just cut off the ends of my MB. And the midtower thing isnt too much of a concern to me, the iMac seems suitable for that. Although i do understand where you are coming from.
 
okay, i'll give you those points. i really do miss the 12" powerbook, and i wish i could just cut off the ends of my MB. And the midtower thing isnt too much of a concern to me, the iMac seems suitable for that. Although i do understand where you are coming from.

Yeah, I'm still using a 12" 1.33Ghz PowerBook because I refuse to buy any of the current stuff. Anything bigger than the absolute minimum size that'll accommodate a full-sized keyboard is too big.

I don't -need- the midtower, seeing as I have the Mac Pro, but I just loathe the iMac because of the glossy display and utter lack of real-world upgrade options.
 
They're great if you want something shiny.

Personally, I want a small notebook: Apple doesn't make any.

I'd also like to complement my Mac Pro with a midtower: Apple doesn't make any.

i thought we liked apple because they didn't waste their time with 88 designs
 
Think about it, a company like Dell sets up this little puppet outfit Psystar in order to try and bring up a court case in which a ruling forcing Apple to license its OS to run on non Apple hardware. Dell can't bring up this lawsuit itself, no sympathy for an ******* like Michael Dell who once said that Apple should be sold and the money given to the shareholders, but you set up a fallacious David vs. Goliath story, and you've certainly got more of a chance.
 
Yeah, I'm still using a 12" 1.33Ghz PowerBook because I refuse to buy any of the current stuff. Anything bigger than the absolute minimum size that'll accommodate a full-sized keyboard is too big.

I don't -need- the midtower, seeing as I have the Mac Pro, but I just loathe the iMac because of the glossy display and utter lack of real-world upgrade options.

i assume you do a lot of editing because of your distaste for glossy. i myself have no problem with glossy, my display is glossy so...
 
i thought we liked apple because they didn't waste their time with 88 designs

Speak for yourself.

I can understand them not making a midtower, it's really not right for Apple's general target market.

However, their portable line is a joke. There is nothing small in the lineup. I'm not saying they need to make everything for everyone, but they don't offer a single small portable. They offer a bunch of medium sized ones, a couple of large ones, and a huge one.
 
Wow. This is bigger than I thought. :eek: :eek:

It will be a clustercluck of a story if true. In this case, I really hope Apple wins!
 
i assume you do a lot of editing because of your distaste for glossy. i myself have no problem with glossy, my display is glossy so...

Both true and false.

True, because I do a lot of editing.

False, because I just hate glossy displays. The only place I want mirrors are in my bathroom and on my car.
 
Common Apple just license your OS already. I know so many people that want OS X, but just can't afford/justify the Apple tax.

Yeah Yeah I remember the Apple clones of the 90s, but this is a different age and time.

There is less and less "apple tax" as of today. Go look at Dell's and HP's and probably even Sony's AIOs (we'll get to desktop towers in a moment). Unless you spend about $1,700, you will not even get a dedicated graphics chip. Doesn't matter how powerful Intel's GMA 4500 series are, they will never rival a dedicated ATI or nVidia chip, not even ones that are a few years old. Again, this is for the same price point... not a explanation of a price gap.

Laptops are pretty much the same. Dell's Studio line of notebooks used Intel chips. MacBooks use the nVidia (still integrate I know,) but much more powerful than the latest Intel chips. Same stuff with HP and Sony. Lenovo is no different, most of their computers these days use whimpy Intel graphics vs. the same price point on the MacBook and a better chip.

Towers are were Apple needs a little explaining to do. But still, the same hardware on the Mac Pro is nearly that much money for a PC spec'd alike.

Again, this is only from the graphics chip point of view, I know Dell has a XPS line with dedicated graphics, but the price point... I know HP has lightscribe (who uses it?!?) and Sony has blu-ray (I know other companies have blu-ray but Sony is the most prominent). I haven't mentioned the corner to corner glass bevel of the MacBook vs. some cheapo and last generation plastic housing. Macs are also much more aesthetically pleasing and made of aluminum, which helps vent heat and is much stronger than any plastic out there. The ability to run multiple OS together (Fusion and Parallels) as well as Boot Camp make Macs a much better competition against PCs as of today. I didn't even go on about the iLife suite you get with a Mac, and no need for AV software. That alone would cover an "apple tax". BSoDs make it worth more..
 
Both true and false.

True, because I do a lot of editing.

False, because I just hate glossy displays. The only place I want mirrors are in my bathroom and on my car.

lol, fair enough. i agree with you that anything bigger than 12" (or 13" IMO) is unnecessary.
 
Think about it, a company like Dell sets up this little puppet outfit Psystar in order to try and bring up a court case in which a ruling forcing Apple to license its OS to run on non Apple hardware. Dell can't bring up this lawsuit itself, no sympathy for an ******* like Michael Dell who once said that Apple should be sold and the money given to the shareholders, but you set up a fallacious David vs. Goliath story, and you've certainly got more of a chance.

Last time I checked, Dell makes great looking computers with last generation ideas for hardware type. In other words, crap hardware.
 
lol, fair enough. i agree with you that anything bigger than 12" (or 13" IMO) is unnecessary.

Realistically, with a widescreen display, I'd only need 10 or 11 inches diagonally to get a full sized keyboard. Actually, I'm going to do the math and figure it out now :D
 
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