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Let China's people decide what government they want. Their government has pulled 1.4 billion people out of poverty and on the way towards the biggest economy in the world. It still has high approval ratings. The East Asian culture has always been willing to sacrifice personal freedom for stability.

There is a long history of Chinese people overthrowing governments that no longer work for them. In fact, they've been doing it for thousands of years before the US even existed. The US doesn't need to interfere in everything.

A democracy like the one in the US probably wouldn't work in China anyways due to culture, history, and population size.

Check out India. It's a democracy but it's still corrupt as hell and its economic growth and internal stability haven't been close to China's. In 1990, India had a higher GDP per capita than China. Now China's is 5x higher than India's.

People in the US shouldn't try to dictate how 1.4 billion people should live and be governed. The US has always tried to dictate how other countries should operate by trying to install new governments (sometimes a democracy and sometimes a dictator) - usually with an economic goal that benefits the US. China doesn't want that because European colonialism messed China up for 100 years (google "Century of humiliation").

Let China be China. Just focus on USA problems.
"Let China's people decide" - please tell me how you expect people to decide without a democracy?
 
They aren’t. And it’s convenient China‘s government has a high approval rating when the people are heavily censored and monitored.
I mean, I'm Chinese. When I was little, my parents starved. Today, people are in a far better situation and it's getting better everyday (measured by GDP per capita). People there are still seeing their lives improving and not getting worse. Hence, there's no reason to try to overthrow the government.

But if their lives are no longer improving, then the Chinese people will overthrow the government. Don't worry if Chinese people are able to overthrow the government or not. They can and they will. On an everyday basis, Chinese people are peaceful and respectful. But if you ever try to piss one off, watch out.
 
"Let China's people decide" - please tell me how you expect people to decide without a democracy?
A revolution. Whenever the Chinese people decide to do it, they will have a revolution, like they've done for millenniums.

The problem with a democracy is that you need an educated population to vote for what is best for them. When China was dirt poor, democracy wouldn't have worked - especially not with 1.4 billion people scattered around a huge country.

Even in the US, where there is "freedom of press", people will routinely vote for the opposite of what's best for them.

India is an example of a democracy that has not worked for its people.

I think China's government was the right one for what it needed. It needed a government that could make tough decisions that are unpopular and had long-term thinking, instead of short-term promises that usually come with a voting system.

Going forward? Probably not. As the population gets more educated, it will demand changes. But the US doesn't need to interfere.
 
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Tangentially...

What happens when China decides to invade Taiwan? (As plenty of analysts are saying that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is likely emboldening Xi Jinping on his own goals of "reunification"...)

Is Apple/Tim going to balls-up and say - no more trading, and thus - say goodbye to the majority of its manufacture arm?
China has been “on the verge” of invading Taiwan going on 50 years now. Didn’t invade even when pure Communist country highly unlikely now that reforms continue.
 
I mean, I'm Chinese. When I was little, my parents starved. Today, people are in a far better situation and it's getting better everyday (measured by GDP per capita). People there are still seeing their lives improving and not getting worse. Hence, there's no reason to try to overthrow the government.

But if their lives are no longer improving, then the Chinese people will overthrow the government. Don't worry if Chinese people are able to overthrow the government or not. They can and they will. On an everyday basis, Chinese people are peaceful and respectful. But if you ever try to piss one off, watch out.
My beef is certainly not with the people. It’s the government, as is the case with just about every country, including my own.
 
My beef is certainly not with the people. It’s the government, as is the case with just about every country, including my own.
Yes, I know your beef isn't with the people. Most people in the West like to think that their beef is only with the government - and nothing to do with deep-rooted racism where it's the white man's duty to "civilize" other cultures.

All I'm saying is that the lives of the Chinese people are still improving and improving at a rate that is higher than many democracies. They have no reason to try to overthrow the government right now.

When they need to, they will do it themselves. No government lasts forever and the Chinese people have been overthrowing governments for milleniums.
 
We may be reaching a crossroads in the world supply chain. Given the war in Ukraine, the potential for conflict in Taiwan, and the recent pandemic companies like Apple may have no choice but to try and further diversify their manufacturing options. We may be coming to a day where China may no longer be a viable option for making goods for the world, and it may come quicker than we all realize.
 
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But since the western media is so anti-China (probably due to racism and economic threat), people only hear one side. Most people making statements about China has no idea about the history and why things are the way it is.
It has way more to do with the genocide of the Uyghurs and repression of the Tibetans (probably due to racism… isn’t it fun making sweeping claims?). But since the communists and their media are so anti anything that makes them look bad they make sure to try to strongarm anyone who even mentions the situation in either region. We know the NBA and Apple will bend over for China. The NHL pulled out of the Olympics, so maybe they have some vestige of a conscience.
 
What are you happy about this Sir? If anything it’s nothing to joke or be sarcastic about.

I wasn’t joking? I just know that the US has basically given up on the pandemic even though you still have like 10k covid related death per week and you hear people fighting about masks (even on here) while the mask is the least of some restriction related concerns in other countries (China, Germany, etc). I WISH the mask was the only thing we still had to fight about over here
 
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And the US still claims the pandemic is over haha

As are variuos other countries as it moves from pandemic to endemic.

Apple needs to continue efforts to diversify production even if it eats into their profits / pricing. Relying so much on one country and that country being China is surely a massive risk. There are many other lower cost locations with a technical base which apple can encourage Foxconn to expand into in the long term - India, Vietnam, even Turkey.

I think many companies will be rethinking supply chains and weigh teh costs of production vs impact of disruption. One advantage is building new plants means you can take advantage of newer technology to help control costs.

It would be nice to be able to buy an Apple product that wasn't manufactured in a regime like China's.

I suspect one result will be that - with the low value add stuff moving to lower cost countries outside of China.

Prices would be even higher if they were made in the US

Probably, but automation and focusing on the high value part of the supply chain, such as chip production and designing more SOC based products could help control costs; and leaving the lower value work such as assembly to other places where labor is cheap.

Perhaps we'll see more consortiums where as much of the fixed costs are spread over multiple companies with only some specialized equipment that is company specific.
 
Millions saved lives is not success?
- Do you believe the numbers?
- In 2020, there clearly was some success. But the virus got more contagious yet less lethal. This means zero covid requires a lot more restrictions with less lives being saved compared to 2020.
 
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