Apple Supplier TSMC Begins Production on Processors Destined for 2018 iPhones

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple supplier TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company) has started production on the next-generation 7-nanometer A12 chips that will be used in the 2018 iPhone lineup, reports Bloomberg.

    TSMC in late April announced that its 7-nanometer process node has entered into high volume manufacturing, but did not specify that it was working on the Apple A12 processors set to be built into the iPhones that are expected in September.


    The new 7-nanometer chips will offer approximately 40 percent power and area benefit over the 10-nanometer process used for the A11 processors in the 2017 iPhones. As Bloomberg says, the chips will be smaller, faster, and more efficient.

    TSMC is believed to be the sole partner Apple is working with on the A12 chip. TSMC was also Apple's only supplier for the A11 chips in the iPhone X, 8, and 8 Plus.

    All three of Apple's 2018 iPhones are expected to adopt the A12 chips that are currently in development. Rumors suggest Apple is working on a second-generation 5.8-inch OLED iPhone that's a successor to the iPhone X, a larger 6.5-inch OLED iPhone that can be thought of as an "iPhone X Plus," and a lower-cost 6.1-inch LCD iPhone.

    Along with A12 chips, all three are expected to include a TrueDepth camera system for Face ID capabilities and an edge-to-edge design with minimal bezels and no Home button.

    Article Link: Apple Supplier TSMC Begins Production on Processors Destined for 2018 iPhones
  2. PKoz macrumors member


    Dec 2, 2017
    Would love a smaller device than the 7 plus, but still a good size display. I like the minimal border concept in the 10. I'd like that, but perhaps in a smaller phone than the 10. Getting a little tired of the phone being so bulky.
  3. Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth
    Edge-to-Edge & no home button going forward.

    Perhaps if they made the SE 2 thinner, it may work ?
  4. BootsWalking macrumors 6502a

    Feb 1, 2014
    Apple is so far ahead of the industry with their mobile CPUs that it's not even close. They have a 24 month lead.
  5. Winter Charm macrumors 6502a

    Winter Charm

    Jul 31, 2008
    What's really cool is TMSC and GF 7nm surpasses Intel 14nm++ and Is actually slightly better than Intel's 10nm node which has been delayed for an additional 18 months! :eek:


    Going forward, Apple, AMD, and Nvidia are going to have the process node advantage over Intel. This means two things:

    1. Apple might start looking at AMD chips very seriously now, since Thunderbolt Support exists on Ryzen now, and AMD is pulling ahead
    2. Apple might opt for a semi custom solution from AMD, since AMD does semi custom work.
    3. Apple might skip AMD chips in favor of their own CPU's for mac desktops and laptops.
  6. Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth
    No wonder why Apple chose to drop Intel chips in future Mac's (possible)
  7. nviz22 macrumors 601


    Jun 24, 2013
    A12 processor in a cheaper iPhone Plus model successor means more cost cutting somewhere else. If it's the A12 processor, at least the SoC isn't the cost cutting maneuver.
  8. PKoz macrumors member


    Dec 2, 2017
    I might work well. Maybe a 4.7" edge to edge. The 4/4s was a really good design. Just too small of a screen. I want a really great display without a large footprint. And really improve the software. I have all kinds of little issues here and there with my earpods. Oh while on that subject, offer different colors for ear pods. I had to pay ColorWare a small fortune for matte black ear pods.
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    I would like to see a Mac based entirely on the ARM Apple designs. There are a few features that the iPad has that the Mac could benefit from.

    1. I'd like to be able to leave the Mac on at all times, just like the iPad remains on. I never turn it off. Even if I leave it behind all day, it's still on. Once the screen goes dark it uses almost zero power. I love that. And I love how it still alerts me to new messages while always on. Bring that to the Mac.
  9. Detektiv-Pinky macrumors 6502a


    Feb 25, 2006
    Berlin, Germany
    Not sure, what you are talking about. I always put my Macs to Suspend and 'leave them on' over days and even weeks. Suspend works very well on MacOS. I only ever reboot when there is an update waiting to be installed.

    6:01 up 27 days, 14:10, 7 users, load averages: 1,16 1,27 1,49

    I could grock an AMD-based Mac, but loathe a move to ARM. My fear is, that Apple would be tempted to cripple MacOS beyond usable by simultaneously eliminating 3rd party app support and going App Store only.
    If MacOS loses x86-support and can not run things like Homebrew, Virtualbox etc. a lot of people would be forced to leave the system, at least in the education market, the technical and science domain.
    Myself included...
  10. Paniko macrumors newbie


    Jan 4, 2018
    La Motha
    How come they're still developing it while producing it?
  11. alex2792 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 13, 2009
  12. SSDGUY macrumors 6502

    Jul 27, 2009
    Is there a news article? I can't stop staring at that awesome tsmc logo.
  13. FelixDerKater Contributor


    Apr 12, 2002
    Nirgendwo in Amerika
  14. WatchFromAfar macrumors 65816


    Jan 26, 2017
    Don't you mean TSMC has the lead; Apple isn't making anything; you can say they designed them but if the can't make them those designs go unused.
  15. Nozuka macrumors 68000

    Jul 3, 2012
    it's the combination of both Apple and TSMC.

    but to be honest: no one really notices a difference in real world usage anymore. most chips are more than fast enough for smartphone usage these days...
    but less power usage is always nice.
  16. ani4ani macrumors 6502a

    May 4, 2012
    Even if that was remotely true,what’s the point? It hardly matters these days since you can hardly tell on most smartphones. Apple never exploit it; every year a new chip and a new IOS and basically everything is just about the same.
  17. Mescagnus macrumors regular

    Jul 12, 2008
    I'd say that the CPU speed is required for upcoming AR/VR solutions, AI and neural processing that enables better facial recognition, intelligent image recognition, etc.

    Speed is an enabler.
  18. Relentless Power macrumors Core

    Relentless Power

    Jul 12, 2016
    All great points. Even with the A11 Bionic processor, that’s also partially responsible for the neutral engine and the biometric measures for Face ID. I think when others think of processor, they just think of speed only, now we are venturing on where the processor is also making Face ID work together.
  19. alleggerita macrumors 6502


    Dec 19, 2011
    No. I think we will be seeing a regression in processing speed. /s
  20. Cosmosent macrumors 6502


    Apr 20, 2016
    La Jolla, CA
    RE: "Rumors suggest Apple is working on ..."

    ... a 5" version of the 8+, which "could be" the very last iPhone with TouchID / a Hardware Home Button.

    If so, that would be the 4th iPhone Announced in Sept, it they do in-deed Release it.
  21. recoil80 macrumors 68020

    Jul 16, 2014
    Speed is really important, even for day to day use.
    Camera app uses a lot of CPU/GPU power for detecting scenes and for applying portrait effects live. FaceID needs to be faster too, so any enhancement in speed is more than welcome.
    Power consumption is another important aspect to consider, I think they did a great job with the A11 providing 4 low power cores and 2 with higher speed.
    We don't need, and cannot expect miracles from a new cpu. Just more speed a better energy saving, but those are really important.
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    That logo is outstanding, so modern looking and eye catching
  22. femike macrumors regular

    Oct 15, 2011
    Is the A12 is going to be powerful enough to be more useful than it only being in iPhone/iPad yet?
  23. NamE_O macrumors member


    Feb 1, 2016
    Hawaii, United States
    What about A11X for the upcoming iPad Pro? Or would there be any chance that the iPP comes with A12?
  24. JojoTom macrumors newbie

    Mar 7, 2018
    TSMC is much better than Samsung in Circuit Manufacturing.
  25. Precursor macrumors 6502a


    Sep 29, 2015
    Can't wait to see the benchmarks for A12X for the iPP, it's going to be a beast!

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