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Can’t tell if serious or not but I’ll bite. Do you really support businesses automating processes at the cost of employees!?

businesses are not non-profit organizations... we didn't seem to have a problem with millions of American workers who lost their jobs permanently when U.S. businesses shifted manufacturing to China and other parts of the world...

even Chinese companies now are investing heavily on automation to cut labor cost from the equation. it's just a matter of time

do I support it? in an ideal world, probably not. but if Apple can find a way to cut a $1000 iPhone down to $500 by reducing labor and other costs, who am I to say that it's a bad idea?
 
Can’t tell if serious or not but I’ll bite. Do you really support businesses automating processes at the cost of employees!?
A business owner is not obligated to support people, they are obligated to operate with the goal of maximizing profits. A business is for no other reason then to make money. It in turn supplies a product that if desired will sell well otherwise why make it. The obligation to people is when you need them to complete the work the business conducts. You treat them well, pay a fair wage, provide a safe environment. You dont hire simply because you feel bad for people. Automation done well makes a consistent product. I get what you are saying in general, why advocate for less work for people but thats not business minded. Where they are now in China, the middle class has grown to the size of the US population in total. Imagine everyone in the US being middle class. More and more as the money flows to China, they will find it more difficult to hire people that have not made it to their middle class and at some point be faced with the same dilemma we have. Who will work for less than a lot. India is next until their wealth builds to the point of other nations. We are moving to $15 or more per hour just to get a burger out the window. We need it to pay for housing. At $30 an hour you still need to live away from he coast to afford housing. Not pay for, afford.

Anyhow, I feel what you're saying. Why automate when you could put people to work and allow them to make a living. I wish it was the way but its just not how business works.
 
A business owner is not obligated to support people, they are obligated to operate with the goal of maximizing profits. A business is for no other reason then to make money. It in turn supplies a product that if desired will sell well otherwise why make it. The obligation to people is when you need them to complete the work the business conducts. You treat them well, pay a fair wage, provide a safe environment. You dont hire simply because you feel bad for people. Automation done well makes a consistent product. I get what you are saying in general, why advocate for less work for people but thats not business minded. Where they are now in China, the middle class has grown to the size of the US population in total. Imagine everyone in the US being middle class. More and more as the money flows to China, they will find it more difficult to hire people that have not made it to their middle class and at some point be faced with the same dilemma we have. Who will work for less than a lot. India is next until their wealth builds to the point of other nations. We are moving to $15 or more per hour just to get a burger out the window. We need it to pay for housing. At $30 an hour you still need to live away from he coast to afford housing. Not pay for, afford.

Anyhow, I feel what you're saying. Why automate when you could put people to work and allow them to make a living. I wish it was the way but its just not how business works.
Yeah I get you. And I understand the benefits. I just really worry what the economy looks like - will these manual jobs be replaced by other jobs or will there be less jobs to go around? Is there a future where the majority of people will rely on the state for income? (And no I’m not referring to the current benefits system). I guess with space exploration becoming a thing our growing population will explore upwards and that in itself will open up jobs etc.

it’s a very interesting conversation but probably not one for this thread, ha!
 
Yeah I get you. And I understand the benefits. I just really worry what the economy looks like - will these manual jobs be replaced by other jobs or will there be less jobs to go around? Is there a future where the majority of people will rely on the state for income? (And no I’m not referring to the current benefits system). I guess with space exploration becoming a thing our growing population will explore upwards and that in itself will open up jobs etc.

it’s a very interesting conversation but probably not one for this thread, ha!
Yea, not for this thread. Nice chatting with you.
 

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Tim Cook does not control what suppliers pay their employees.
Yes, he does.

Apple controls what they pay their suppliers and contract manufacturers who in turn pay their employees. If Apple paid them better, they would be able to pay their employees better. But Apple likes to squeeze them to maintain their profits.


In a landmark development for the way Western companies do business in China, Apple Inc said on Thursday it had agreed to work with partner Foxconn to tackle wage and working condition violations at the factories that produce its popular products.


It's not as if Apple hasn't done anything in the past to improve wages or work conditions


Foxconn Technology’s promise comes as Beijing is pushing foreign companies to share more of their revenues with Chinese employees. It follows a report by a labor auditor hired by Apple Inc. that found Foxconn was regularly violating legal limits on overtime, with factory employees working more than 60 hours per week.

Foxconn, owned by Taiwan’s Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., promised to limit hours while keeping total pay the same, effectively paying more per hour.
 
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Didn't I see plenty of articles of Apple moving production away from China, to like India especially? I learned about that huge riot in one of India's apple factory. Indians couldn't do a better job or what?
 
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Didn't I see plenty of articles of Apple moving production away from China, to like India especially? I learned about that huge riot in one of India's apple factory. Indians couldn't do a better job or what?
There's an India factory run by Foxconn, but India is still dealing with a problem (coronavirus)

 
this would make me hesitant to buy. New workers could mean shoddy work? A friend bought a new HP laptop something i have done for years, and it had so many problems with its being put together... Covid might have a bigger impact than we realize. Now I wonder if i should wait a bit longer after the 16" laptops come out... BTW, i have a 2009 17" (backlit apple) that is still working good. the software cant be updated, but its in good working condition. I dont think they make them like this anymore.. of course it does weigh a ton.. ;)
 
Considering the region we are talking about, those bonuses are tiny compared to daily rent fee, food, transport etc. They should’ve doubled that bonus listed here and maybe a bit more.
Tiny, no way, a couple of months ago MR had a similar article, I pretty sure the bonus was for a 4-5 month period, after that they pay you the bonus, that is by no means small money, especially because most of those workers originate from rural area's where wages are much lower.
It's China, not Europe, America, or any other western country.
Apple iPhone slave factories are covid super spreaders!!
These are not slave factories.
1. Slaves don't get any pay.
2. "They" are not forced to get a job there.
3. There's aren't a lot of Covid cases in China, although rising a tiny bit.
4. Foxconn has a lot more customers, Apple is just one of them.
5. Apple is not responsible for those workers, but they do care and audit their suppliers.

Can’t tell if serious or not but I’ll bite. Do you really support businesses automating processes at the cost of employees!?
Welcome to the modern world, automation is everywhere, while at the same time creating new jobs.
 
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Didn't I see plenty of articles of Apple moving production away from China, to like India especially? I learned about that huge riot in one of India's apple factory. Indians couldn't do a better job or what?
That's really only just for the domestic market in India since India has pretty high tariffs on imported phones. India's logistics network likely isn't mature enough to take on more at the moment, especially with covid.
 
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It’d be wise to spread the supply chain to other countries. It’s not smart to be so dependent on one country.
It would be wise to automate more and more of the production process. I expect they’ll eventually end up with production facilities in many countries, that don’t involve much manual labor.
 
No surprise, most young workers would rather build EVs and work for XPeng or battery maker CATL. Or even Tesla's Gigafactory in Shanghai.

Those companies have newer, more automated factories. And you can be more proud of what you make.
 
NO ONE should be surprised if the iPhone 13 family are the first iPhones that are Boycott worldwide !

And naturally, in response to what was announced just yesterday !
While it's terrible that Apple can't fix the iTunes Match issues, I don't see it as a reason to boycott the iPhone :confused:

 
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