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Unified memory does have benefits in speed, so at least on the memory front there is a benefit to having it soldered down now. But that benefit was only realized with Apple Silicon, and not with the intel chips soldered down before. I think a good compromise now would be to add in additional physical slots in addition to the unified memory that add to the overall capacity, but are only used when unified becomes full. This would still allow speed benefit over SSD storage, and help extend the useful life of an older machine somewhat. Those slots could come populated or empty in machines that have the space for them. MacBook Pro’s and all desktops should have the option, but it makes sense not to have it in the MacBook Air as that really is making the size trade off. Upgradable storage though still has no excuse. Every mac should have an M.2 slot in addition to any soldered storage, and that slot should be able to run the OS just the same if needed.

It would be nice, but add costs and complexity for something most users would never use. Companies make cost/feature tradeoffs all the time.
 
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There's the loophole right there.

Apple is currently electronically serializing every component in their devices, including the battery for "anti-theft" purposes. Apple has already serialized the lid angle sensor on MacBooks, meaning you can't replace the simple magnetic switch without going through Apple or an ASP.

Who is stealing a lid switch? Who is hacking a MacBook through the lid switch?

Pretty soon, the iPhone back glass, USB-C port, and the individual keyboard key caps will be serialized for "anti-theft."

So sure, Apple supports the heck out of this bill.
I’m pretty sure the lid sensor disables the microphone. So it’s a privacy thing to prevent a closed laptop from listening to what you’re saying.
 
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People are somehow under the impression that them continuing to use a device for another 3-4 years before it ends up in a landfill makes a difference. The environment’s time scales are in the thousands and millions of years. Right to Repair means that the original device PLUS all of the parts that were swapped out end up in the landfill. Certainly NOT guaranteed better for the environment.

In theory but here is the difference. If say a small cheap part breaks, in right to repair you repair that cheap part and keep using the decice. Compare that to not right to repair you have to throw away the ENTIRE phone and buy a new one. That means double the trash at the end.
Even over 3-4 years it added up to a lot less trash as instead of replacing everything in the phone you are replacing just the parts.

Put in cars for example. It is like saying every time a hose breaks or say your control arm broke you throw away your entire car and buy a new one for ONE simple part. Yes in the end when say the car is trashed the entire car is trashed along with all the parts. But if over that time span it reduce the total number of cars needed by 2-3 times that means 2-3 less of everything else.

Right to repair tends to increase the average age of a things which means they last longer before total replacement. This means lesss thrown away long term and less waste.
 
Unified memory does have benefits in speed, so at least on the memory front there is a benefit to having it soldered down now. But that benefit was only realized with Apple Silicon, and not with the intel chips soldered down before. I think a good compromise now would be to add in additional physical slots in addition to the unified memory that add to the overall capacity, but are only used when unified becomes full. This would still allow speed benefit over SSD storage, and help extend the useful life of an older machine somewhat. Those slots could come populated or empty in machines that have the space for them. MacBook Pro’s and all desktops should have the option, but it makes sense not to have it in the MacBook Air as that really is making the size trade off. Upgradable storage though still has no excuse. Every mac should have an M.2 slot in addition to any soldered storage, and that slot should be able to run the OS just the same if needed.

the gains are a lot smaller than you think if anything at all. They could do the same thing in theory with slots as well and still work. The speeds would be more or less the same as long as they are using the same type of memory.

Apple argument on pretty much BS. It could be done with standard ram slots providing the ram used is the right type.
 
I agree that zealots are insufferable, but there are certainly two sides to this.
Building in 'repairable' has a cost, but bad actors have certainly designed things to make it purposely difficult.
FutureMotion instantly bricking the OneWheel XR if you disconnect the battery is an excellent example of what I consider bad behavior.

Requiring places to disclose that they are using used, salvaged, or brand X parts is also fair. I can choose whether or not to take that risk. I also understand why Apple wouldn't want to warranty a device with brand X parts in it after it was opened up by a non-authorized facility. But I do want the right to do that if I am willing to sacrifice the warranty.
If it's under warranty, it's a free or cheaper repair, so there is no reason to use a third party until the warranty expires.
 
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No it's not, but people that do not understand that will keep saying it. People that care will not buy, but people that do not care will continue to buy. Which number of people do you think is bigger?
If people do not care, then it is not a big deal and it's a waste of time regulating this.
 
People are somehow under the impression that them continuing to use a device for another 3-4 years before it ends up in a landfill makes a difference. The environment’s time scales are in the thousands and millions of years. Right to Repair means that the original device PLUS all of the parts that were swapped out end up in the landfill. Certainly NOT guaranteed better for the environment.
The environments time scales are irrelevant here. The sum of the extra parts vs the sum of throwing everything away and replacing the whole thing leans heavily in the direction of repair-ability. The foundation you are basing your decision on is flawed. We also have limited resources on this planet and recycling isn't feasible in many cases. We should be using everything we have as long as we possible can before throwing it out.
 
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If I’m paying $1000 plus for a phone I’m using authorized service providers only with genuine parts. Also Apples DIY repair service is not worth my time just so I can say I did it myself. If a third-party has genuine parts, but not authorized I wonder why?
 
If I’m paying $1000 plus for a phone I’m using authorized service providers only with genuine parts. Also Apples DIY repair service is not worth my time just so I can say I did it myself. If a third-party has genuine parts, but not authorized I wonder why?
But why limit other people’s choice just because YOU don’t want to do it? Either way you can still go to apple for repair if you want.
 
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If I thought you weren't just looking for a reason to be mad,
I'm taking your literal words from "and not just blow smoke." and now you accuse me looking for a reason to be mad for saying "Talk about blowing smoke.".

Hilarious.

Have a good one.
 
In theory but here is the difference. If say a small cheap part breaks, in right to repair you repair that cheap part and keep using the decice. Compare that to not right to repair you have to throw away the ENTIRE phone and buy a new one. That means double the trash at the end.
Even over 3-4 years it added up to a lot less trash as instead of replacing everything in the phone you are replacing just the parts.

Nothing requires component level or small chesp parts. It still can be major assembles such as the entire top case if a wire connector breaks.
Put in cars for example. It is like saying every time a hose breaks or say your control arm broke you throw away your entire car and buy a new one for ONE simple part. Yes in the end when say the car is trashed the entire car is trashed along with all the parts. But if over that time span it reduce the total number of cars needed by 2-3 times that means 2-3 less of everything else.

The car analogy is flawed because they are bery different in design. To use the car analogy, if an ECU fails it’s still replace the whole unit.

Right to repair tends to increase the average age of a things which means they last longer before total replacement. This means lesss thrown away long term and less waste.

I suspect far fewer people will repair their devices than posters on MR think.

Phones and computers are disposable tech in many user’s mind. It’s often “yea, I could get it repaired but it’s still old tech so might as well get a new device.”
 
It would be nice, but add costs and complexity for something most users would never use. Companies make cost/feature tradeoffs all the time.
And that’s been true for a long time. PC vendors across the board have discovered that even when the option is available, the vast majority does NOT upgrade their systems. Ever. The feature is being removed because having it there introduces a cost with no market benefit (customers are just as likely to buy something un-upgradable from a competitor if it does what they need).
 
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In theory but here is the difference. If say a small cheap part breaks, in right to repair you repair that cheap part and keep using the decice. Compare that to not right to repair you have to throw away the ENTIRE phone and buy a new one. That means double the trash at the end.
Every device made is going to end up in the trash, whether from one person’s hand or another. If it’s made, I’m fairly certain that in 1,000 years, it won’t still be used. If N is the number of devices being produced, and X is the number of replaceable/replaced parts being used/trashed for that device, N plus ANY number X is more trash.
 
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The environments time scales are irrelevant here. The sum of the extra parts vs the sum of throwing everything away and replacing the whole thing leans heavily in the direction of repair-ability. The foundation you are basing your decision on is flawed. We also have limited resources on this planet and recycling isn't feasible in many cases. We should be using everything we have as long as we possible can before throwing it out.
And then, what about the massive number of parts made for devices with replaceable parts that get made from the same limited resources, packaged, and shipped and NEVER end up in any device? I don’t think there’s anyone that believes that every single replaceable part from every single vendor eventually ends up in a device.

We have limited resources, yet some of those resources should be used to make parts that may never even see use?
 
Every device made is going to end up in the trash, whether from one person’s hand or another. If it’s made, I’m fairly certain that in 1,000 years, it won’t still be used. If N is the number of devices being produced, and X is the number of replaceable/replaced parts being used/trashed for that device, N plus ANY number X is more trash.

And here is where it all breaks down. You have N for number of devices made. X for replacement part trash but you forgot about M. The number of replacement devices made. Total waste from N+X is going to be smaller than N+M.
Basically by allowing for replacement parts you reduce N by a large amount.

I put in the car example as the perfect one. If N last 20% longer because of replacement parts. That would be a reduction of N long term 20% so in 1000 years you have somewhere between 0-20% less waste as X is not going to add up to that missing 20%.

That little part you completely glossed over with your BS. Yes I am calling your entire argument BS.
 
Nothing requires component level or small chesp parts. It still can be major assembles such as the entire top case if a wire connector breaks.

in terms of phones I could point to the battery and screen being common parts that break that are greatly a lot cheaper.
The car analogy is flawed because they are bery different in design. To use the car analogy, if an ECU fails it’s still replace the whole unit.

No it is not. I used the car as it is intentionally to more of the extreme end to point out the flaw in everyone defending apple. A common part breaks or damage yet repair is a total device replacement. Completely unneeded.

I suspect far fewer people will repair their devices than posters on MR think.

Phones and computers are disposable tech in many user’s mind. It’s often “yea, I could get it repaired but it’s still old tech so might as well get a new device.”

I suspect quite a few would replace their phone instead of repair but what it does do is allow 2nd life to happen and even a super minor average age increase is a massive reduction in waste. The repair part mostly is giving some 2nd life in phones a lot better or easier repair when something damage. In phones that tends to be screen, camera or battery being some of the common ones. It is about reducing total waste and honeslty extending the life of phones.

Also it tends to cause things to get a little cheaper as used phone markets affects the new phone market as a lot of people would be willing to take a used phone that has been repaired than buying new if they have an option.
 
And then, what about the massive number of parts made for devices with replaceable parts that get made from the same limited resources, packaged, and shipped and NEVER end up in any device? I don’t think there’s anyone that believes that every single replaceable part from every single vendor eventually ends up in a device.

We have limited resources, yet some of those resources should be used to make parts that may never even see use?
Dude... have you heard of supply chain management? after some time companies will get good at making pretty close to only what people need to replace parts. Sure some things will end up never getting used, but throwing away a few unused sticks of RAM is less waste than throwing away whole computers full of working components except the RAM. There will still be waste, yes. There will be less waste overall with right to repair. Seriously, stop and think a little and you will realize how terrible your argument is here. It doesn't hold up.
 
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I’m pretty sure the lid sensor disables the microphone. So it’s a privacy thing to prevent a closed laptop from listening to what you’re saying.

If you replace the lid sensor using one from another MacBook, the computer doesn't sleep when the lid is closed. Instead, it sleeps at weird angles when the lid is open. So it's not a privacy thing.

Apple deliberately made it so the lid sensor is paired with individual MacBooks. It's not for any reason than to annoy end users forcing them to go back to Apple or an ASP.
 
OG HomePods are a ticking timebomb. Especially if used as ARC speakers and have Siri enabled. Cook themselves to death.
OG HomePods are a ticking timebomb. Especially if used as ARC speakers and have Siri enabled. Cook themselves to death.
OG HomePods are a ticking timebomb. Especially if used as ARC speakers and have Siri enabled. Cook themselves to death.
Never heard about that. Was there a law suit?
 
I didn't. But it just makes no sense to argue about that.
No you really did completely miss the point by miles. It had nothing to do with the amount of max ram but more showing the massive price difference between what Apple charges and what might be a super cheap upgrade a year or 2 later. Odds anyone going to max out very slim.
Odds that someone mgiht want to go from 32 to day 64 a few years later much more likely.
 
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