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If you recall, they did only have 1st party apps when iOS first started. Then they were criticized for their apps being limited. They opened iOS development to 3rd parties, and that is when iOS became a much larger success. Apple 1st party apps (i.e. not part of an acquisition) are rather limited compared to their counterparts
Yeah right. Find me a single 3rd party app of the same category as an Apple first party app (today) that is better than Apple's. You won't find one, because there isn't one.
 
The flip-side are the resources that are devoted to the review process are not known. Sometimes adding more resources doesn't really make a workflow or process any faster or better.
Yes, there could be one person per country. If they had ten, it wouldn't make it any better. 😆
 
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Oh hey, good news! The current head of developer relations for the app store is retiring and they've put a marketing person in charge. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah right. Find me a single 3rd party app of the same category as an Apple first party app (today) that is better than Apple's. You won't find one, because there isn't one.
Reeder over news
LumaFusion over imovie
Lightroom over photos
Standard notes over notes
Strongbox over keychain

On the other hand I agree, maps, music, safari, second to non.
 
Well, that's a lie.

I know these developers just don't get how lucky they are apple invented the iPhone and App Store, where would all these developers be with out apple.
The developers would be writing apps for Android, which would dominate 99% of the market if Apple hadn't created the App Store and potentially pushed them out of the phone market. The more important question is this: Where would Apple be without developers?
 
Reeder over news
LumaFusion over imovie
Lightroom over photos
Standard notes over notes
Strongbox over keychain

On the other hand I agree, maps, music, safari, second to non.
I guess it depends on what you mean by "better" because there is nothing that makes Lightroom "better" than Photos, unless you are exclusively and specifically talking about editing (detailed editing). There is no replacement for the Photos app. There is no automatic low level app that directly integrates with iCloud Photos across all your devices.
 
I guess it depends on what you mean by "better" because there is nothing that makes Lightroom "better" than Photos, unless you are exclusively and specifically talking about editing (detailed editing). There is no replacement for the Photos app. There is no automatic low level app that directly integrates with iCloud Photos across all your devices.
You’re describing a limitation imposed by Apple, not the fact that the first party app is better. Photos is a terrible app on all fronts.
 
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Are you insinuating that my comparisons are irrelevant? Each app is a direct competitor to the Apple opposite.
Oh, no! Sorry! I'm agreeing with you. I'm in the middle of getting all of my music untangled from iTunes, and I'm going to see how good VLC can be at replacing TV on my iPad. 99% of what I watch are individual video files, and not downloaded or streamed or anything from the store. If I can put all of the episodes of a season of something into a folder, synch it to my iPad and navigate to the episode I want I'll be happy. If I can take "home videos" and put them in another separate folder and navigate into there and watch what I want I'll be even happier. Right now with TV if I'm not connected to the net it just throws everything (TV shows, home videos, movies) into the same big lump, and if you wanna watch Zootopia you're gonna have to scroll through A-Y to get to it.
 
Oh, no! Sorry! I'm agreeing with you. I'm in the middle of getting all of my music untangled from iTunes, and I'm going to see how good VLC can be at replacing TV on my iPad. 99% of what I watch are individual video files, and not downloaded or streamed or anything from the store. If I can put all of the episodes of a season of something into a folder, synch it to my iPad and navigate to the episode I want I'll be happy. If I can take "home videos" and put them in another separate folder and navigate into there and watch what I want I'll be even happier. Right now with TV if I'm not connected to the net it just throws everything (TV shows, home videos, movies) into the same big lump, and if you wanna watch Zootopia you're gonna have to scroll through A-Y to get to it.
Take a look at jellyfin or Emby or something if you have a mac or other device to serve your iPad.
 
really? they surprised? how about when Apple says we've found something suspicious in your app but we will not tell you what and after many back and forth emails and call they just say - we don't want to see you app in our appstore. How we can understand your review process, Apple?

This is what happens in oligopolies. They get arrogant. I wish some one breaks their arrogance but no one ever is brave enough to do so.

There are some areas where we have seen some attempts like DuckDuckGo on Google search, and ProtonMail on Gmail, and Brave browser on Chrome. I love those companies!

Mind you, on the Android side of things there is Aurora app store and F-Droid!
 
Considering the huge amount of money they're getting, they could actually hire enough people to check apps, along with improving their automated processes.
Come on, it’s only $17B and counting..what do you expect them to do with that pittance?
 
Take a look at jellyfin or Emby or something if you have a mac or other device to serve your iPad.
I have Air Video HD as a server-kinda setup, but I don't really have any network, or am on any network much. I just want the files on the iPad to be organized the way I set them up on my MacBook (and then synch to something on the iPad) for offline viewing. Doesn't look like VLC will handle it (organizing them on the MacBook and then file sharing them to the VLC app through iTunes). All the organization gets lost.
 
How many developers and apps? I’m sure there are legitimate cases as well as sour grapes complaints. Apple shouldn’t be surprised about the negative press though.
It's typical Apple speak. It's not different than calling in to support and being told by senior advisers, that they have never heard of, or seen reports about the problem you are calling about.

Outside of some sour grapes, I think Apple's biggest problem in this area is a lack of complete follow through and oversight. A developer should not have to wonder what Apple means when they get rejection for cause email etc. There also shouldn't be silence from Apple when a developer calls in trying to ascertain to what needs to be addressed.

I question whether the app reviewers are being reviewed as well. They should be.
 
Guys these are lawyers dealing with a government investigation. What do you expect them to say - “we know it sucks”?

Is it illegal to lie to a government watchdog group? If not, it should be, because Apple is certainly not surprised by any frustrations. At least, they wouldn't be if they spoke to even a single iOS developer.

I don't know a single developer who developes iOS apps because of Apple's review process and policies, usually it's despite Apple and their shenanagins.

It's typical Apple speak. It's not different than calling in to support and being told by senior advisers, that they have never heard of, or seen reports about the problem you are calling about.

Investigators should come down hard on people and companies which provide these "I don't recall", "never heard of it" responses. If not for legally punishable perjury, then at least irrefutable public humiliation.
 
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As a non developer I am very frustrated with the lack of M1 macs iOS/iPadOS apps.

These developers need to stop having a whinge and make their apps available for the mac as well.
Customer opinion means nothing to Apple nowadays. Absolutely nothing. Anyone can complain and whine as much as they want and Apple will not change their actions unless they are forced by law. :rolleyes:
 
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Between the Play Store review system and App Store's one, I really prefer the App Store one. Apple is more picky about how things should be done, but its far better than waking up to see your app DELETED from the Play Store without a real reason and with an ambiguous explanation. Then you have to send them a support email that will take longer to get replied than you sending another build to the Play Store that they will allow and then AGAIN delete it from the Play Store for the same dumb reason and the same ambiguous explanation and you end looking for the solution on internet.
When Apple got confused with my app and rejected the new build I just sent them a message explaining how the issue was not a real issue and the build was uploaded the same day.
understand, yeah i got some issue before. At least apple got advise what can be done what cannot be done. Google ban on the spot. Play Store maybe live much faster then apple but at least i prefer apple human explanation.
 
As a non developer I am very frustrated with the lack of M1 macs iOS/iPadOS apps.

These developers need to stop having a whinge and make their apps available for the mac as well.
as developer , we think apple will deploy whatever as it.. Ohh need to universal.
** i don't paid those 500 mac mini m1 since not applicable.
 
Well, Apple defender will defend just like usual. No surprise on that regard.

As for apple getting “surprised”, it’s just typical PR bs that I could not care less. If stakeholder is all they care so be it. “Too big to fail” as usual. Random lawsuit here and there really won’t make a dent on Apple either way. I wish devs can at least get something for compensation through law for their subpar experience.
 
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Apple should just make apps,
Apple apps are always superior anyways.
It would be nice if this were true, but it's not even close.

Apple's apps are *generally* of a pretty high standard, but even a 1 minute pause to reflect on this show that there are many apps out there that are better than Apple's.
 
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