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In another thread, you told someone you have 2 degrees in computer science. In another thread you told someone you have a degree in media production. In another you told someone you're an expert in photography. So amazing to have the god of all things technology and production in here, but if you're going to claim multiple expertise, maybe limit it to one per website?

PROVE IT! Lying only proves my case further. Let's see a single post where I claim to have a DEGREE in any of those areas. I never told anyone in any thread on here anything but a degree in electronic engineering. I have a HOBBY in photography and music (I do have an album on iTunes/Amazon/Spotify/CD Baby) and I have worked on pinball machine game reproduction in software from 2001-2008 as another hobby, but those are not degrees. I have used Final Cut Pro for home video editing (again, that's not a claim of a degree).
 
Apple 2013 - "Thunderbolt is awesome, it's the future, we're getting it ahead of everyone!"
Us - "ooh I'll by loads of Thunderbolt drives then"
Apple 2016 - "USB C is awesome, it's the future, we're replacing Thunderbolt and putting it in everything!"
Us - "****"
 
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Apple 2013 - "Thunderbolt is awesome, it's the future, we're getting it ahead of everyone!"
Us - "ooh I'll by loads of Thunderbolt drives then"
Apple 2016 - "USB C is awesome, it's the future, we're replacing Thunderbolt and putting it in everything!"
Us - "****"

The two are not mutually exclusive. Thunderbolt 3 uses USB-C ports (older drives will need an adapter). What would be nice about Thunderbolt 3 is that you could dock a Macbook Pro with one wire to a hub via Thunderbolt 3 with USB-C and it could have every port you wanted plus a gaming level graphics card, effectively turning a Macbook Pro into a desktop Mac with real gaming capabilities. Now if only Apple would release such a model....
 
As much as you complain, it does make perfect sense to get rid of the 1/8th-inch plug (and I'm saying this as someone who uses it daily). Mostly because it's long and puts a lot of torque on the housing, and as a result, after a few years—if you use it a lot, like I do—it craps out, so you're left wiggling it around trying to find the "sweet spot" where you actually get a stereo signal. Yes, it's garbage. And besides, forcing it out of the computer will allow peripheral manufacturers to customize the DAC to their needs, which makes a lot of sense, from a design/product perspective. So, it's time to say goodbye. Get over it. I have to, and I'm sure, after about 90 minutes of moaning, I'll be just fine.

(EDIT: But yes, it should be USB-C, not lightning...)
 
As much as you complain, it does make perfect sense to get rid of the 1/8th-inch plug (and I'm saying this as someone who uses it daily). Mostly because it's long and puts a lot of torque on the housing, and as a result, after a few years—if you use it a lot, like I do—it craps out, so you're left wiggling it around trying to find the "sweet spot" where you actually get a stereo signal. Yes, it's garbage.

(EDIT: But yes, it should be USB-C, not lightning...)

You spend a lot of time here bad talking the headphone jack, but your conclusions seem premature. There are a lot of devices out there with headphone jacks over many decades and what you describe doesn't sound like a technical failure, but rather contamination and it's often easily solved. Furthermore any port that is plugged and unplugged over long periods of time could develop an issue, even "Lightning" (just wait and see what happens with Lightning headphones as they become more common.)

You have to ask yourself, "Why is there a sweet spot?" Metal conducts all the way around that port and no amount of "using" the headphone jack will eliminate that metal. A "loose jack" would not create "sweet spots" either (the jack would move and maybe even come out, but until you break a wire it's going to keep producing sound. You didn't mention such a thing, so it has to either be corrosion of some kind of which the only possible sources are water (unlikely) or spark type corrosion (not going to happen in a headphone jack). Thus, I conclude there's some kind of "crap" in your jack that needs cleaned out. Try taking a flashlight and shine it into your headphone jack. You should be able to see debris in there if it's built up enough to interfere with your plug (I've had that happen with multiple iPods and in every case it wasn't the jack, but dust/lint building up inside the jack. Once removed with a toothpick or needle, the plug worked like new again). As I said, this can happen with any "female" port on a device. Macbooks aren't put into pockets, but that doesn't free them from dust and that can even build up by just plugging in a headphone and little bits accumulate.

The other possibility you can get with any plugged headphone is damage to the cord itself. THAT is where most of the torque stress is and wires can break in the cord. Always try another pair of headphones before assuming your jack is faulty even if it is clean.

Even so, it's not impossible a jack could get damaged over time, but given the frequency of plugging/unplugging on an iPod or even a Sony cassette Walkman (that jack has been used on SO many devices), it seems highly unlikely that a Macbook jack would get damaged even with "frequent use" when I've never had ANY device in my entire life have a headphone jack entirely fail for any reason other crap building up inside the jack that can be easily cleaned out.

Garbage? Hardly. I suspect the jack isn't the reason you're calling it garbage, but the user failing to maintain their equipment.

And besides, forcing it out of the computer will allow peripheral manufacturers to customize the DAC to their needs, which makes a lot of sense, from a design/product perspective. So, it's time to say goodbye. Get over it. I have to, and I'm sure, after about 90 minutes of moaning, I'll be just fine.

Customize the DAC to their needs????? What the frack are you talking about? Oh, that's right. You just revealed you don't know anything about DACs. :rolleyes:

A Digital to Audio Converter or DAC has ONE function and that's to convert digital audio signals back to analog signals as accurately as possible. The only "customizing" you can do is to make a more accurate DAC (anything else is better handled with tone controls or a graphic equalizer or something). The problem with you assumption (and any "high-end" assumption) is that there's something wrong with current DAC designs. You're talking about a technology that has been absolutely PERFECTED over the first 15 years of digital audio (by the late 1990s) and is dirt cheap now for the best DACs of those years (their cost can easily be measured in pennies today). We're talking about accuracy to more than 0.1dB,a difference no human ear can detect. By comparison earphones and loudspeakers all have errors anywhere from 10-1000x or more greater and yet most humans continue to listen to GARBAGE EAR BUDS that come with iPhones and iPods).

Yes, they do sell "expensive" DACs out there, but anyone who buys one has been duped into believing in snake oil. Clean amplification is more important and the headphone/loudspeaker is FAR more important still in terms of potential for bad sound. But this idea that we'd be better off with DACs and amplifiers inside a headphone instead of the iPhone is ridiculous. Headphone makers don't make DACs. They just BUY them, the same as Apple. Put a good DAC and Op-Amp inside the iPhone and regardless of whether you use a 3.5mm jack or a Lightning or USB-C connector, the end result is identical. Put them in headphones and you need either a power connection or batteries and suddenly your headphones have to be larger than they need to be or may use junk to save literally a dollar (i.e. an iPhone costs over $700 and can better absorb a quality $10 DAC and Op-Amp combination cost than a headphone that typically wants to be as cheap as possible because people don't know about and don't care about quality. How many are going to buy $700 headphones? Not many. And for those few that would spend that kind of cash, the existing connectors can already output a digital signal for such use. Either way, it's not an argument to get rid of the 3.5mm jack when almost every headphone on the planet uses it and there's nothing wrong with it other than people failing to clean dust/lint out of it once in awhile.
 
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Right now, I connect my receiver directly to my MBP using a very inexpensive TOSLINK cable. Very elegant.
I looked into it a bit, and it seems that, at the present time, the solution is rather ridiculous.
Apple USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter $100 (pretty bulky)
HDMI cable $15
HDMI audio extractor $40 (another box)
SPDIF over RCA is a copper connection, which potentially re-introduces interference and ground loop issues.
If there's a simpler solution (short of buying a new receiver), please explain how.

You keep saying UCB-C supports Thunderbolt natively... well, not exactly. It supports Thunderbolt 3, but not Thunderbolt 1 or 2.

My display is a beautiful Dell U2711.
Google USB-C to DP cable $50 (Apple doesn't make one)

I have a couple of LaCie FW drives. One supports USB3, the other does not so I guess I'll have to toss it out and buy a new one. $$$$
3rd party USB-C to USB3.0 adapter $20 (Once again, no help from Apple here)

> So far, there is no evidence that the headphone jack will be dropped on the next MBP
As the survey shows, they are thinking about it. Headphone dongle $$$

I'll need a new memory card reader $20

There's no way that 4 ports is going to be enough. I just spent about 15min searching for a decent USB-C hub/splitter and couldn't find one. Any way, there's another $40 or so.

Of course I know there is a cost associated with upgrading our gear. But now I'm looking at spending an additional $300+, possible hundreds more for peripherals, and having a rats nest of adapters. Suddenly that computer costs a lot more than people realize. Plus, we are losing magsafe which is an absolutely brilliant invention.

Device interconnects change so quickly year to year (Apple's especially), people are going to lose their shirts every time they upgrade. Apple used to bundle the dongles and remotes with the computer. It "cushioned the shock" a bit so to speak. Now you have to buy them separately. In my opinion, the computer price tags are high enough already so they could include a few cheap accessories like that.

OK so Apple want to drag us by our wallets into the future, and have only USB-C ports (for which there aren't that many devices yet, it seems) Fine. I get that they want to be trend setters. But I think they could at least throw in some kind of hub device that we can use to connect all our existing gear and not have to remortgage our house when the time comes.

I agree with everything you said. You summed up my thoughts perfectly.
I absolutely detest the idea of having to buy all kinds of dongles and adaptors (which will line Apple's pockets) just to get the new MacBook Pro to do all the things my current MBP does. And to me - the more dongles you have to connect, the greater the chances of wires and connections shorting out and having to be replaced. I like having USB ports, SD card slots (which I use constantly) and HDMI ports. I don't want to clutter up my space with a bunch of pricey dongles all over the place just to get it to work. I guess people who only use their MCB to play games and talk on FB and Snapchat, will think it's great. But for those of us who use the MCB for work - and don't want clutter and dongles all over the place - this really sucks.
 
I agree with everything you said. You summed up my thoughts perfectly.
I absolutely detest the idea of having to buy all kinds of dongles and adaptors (which will line Apple's pockets) just to get the new MacBook Pro to do all the things my current MBP does. And to me - the more dongles you have to connect, the greater the chances of wires and connections shorting out and having to be replaced. I like having USB ports, SD card slots (which I use constantly) and HDMI ports. I don't want to clutter up my space with a bunch of pricey dongles all over the place just to get it to work. I guess people who only use their MCB to play games and talk on FB and Snapchat, will think it's great. But for those of us who use the MCB for work - and don't want clutter and dongles all over the place - this really sucks.

The good news is the headphone jack is there so he'll be able to continue to use a toslink cable (assuming it's still the all-in-one jack it's been since at least 2004). I personally think they should have included at least one USB-A jack and an HDMI jack for now (USB-C is still too new), but if I can get a hub with a gaming card and all the breakout jacks, I might still consider one, but I think the starting prices are ridiculous. $2400 for the base 15" with a WAY TOO SMALL hard drive? That's a tough pill to swallow in 2016. It should have at least came with a 500GB drive standard, preferably 1TB at that price point. PCs have gotten cheaper and cheaper and Apple just keeps jacking up their prices over silly (touch bar) features that aren't exactly "needed" in any sense of the word. Yes, they make one model without it but it's compromised in other ways and at least for me, any 13" is unacceptable.
 
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