We're getting into Ready Player One territory. How soon before we see Apple build the Oasis, have everyone attend school virtually, and have everyone transact using Apple's currency?
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Apple Surveys Devs With Vision Pro About Digital 'Persona'
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Apple creating the Oasis would mean interoperability with rival devices not their own, which we know they won't do because they love their walled garden.
I honestly believe this will wind up being the killer app for XR/spatial computing, by apple and Meta's codec avatars. Imagine in 18 months when we are through the uncanny valley, for those that celebrate it, Christmas morning with all the relatives in a nerf'ed visual of our childhood living room at mom's. No carbon emissions required to do it..this is the future..
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Too many of us seem to lack such imagination. I agree that this will likely be amazing... transforming one-to-one and or one-to-some meetings in ways far beyond what we accomplish now with webcams on little 2D screens.
Personally, I still think the "killer app" is even simpler than this one: an any-size screen on demand, yielding an any-size iPhone screen, an any-size iPad screen, an any-size MB screen, a big screen TV, a giant movie screen, etc anywhere one wants to do or consume something on a screen bigger than the physical one they have with them. Forget folds & creases or rolls. This might be a cut at delivering the MBpro 17" some still want, along with a 20", a 27", an iMac "bigger" screen, an ultra-wide, dual screens, quad screens, etc ANYWHERE one is without the added weight of carrying actual screens to make that happen... or the physical space demands to place all that if you were willing to carry it all around.
I'm a frequent flyer. Seat space is often such there isn't enough room to even open a MBpro and do much work while flying. I have this vision of slipping on Vpro and washing away the cramped quarters as if I'm sitting in front of my 40" ultra-wide screen and/or maybe TWO of them. While I'm actually still in that cramped space, my view is fooled into seeing things as if I have enormous space around me. If just this one thing works well, I'm sold... even if Vpro can do nothing else.
I'd love to soon reach a point where I can have this any-size screen device and the bottom half of a MB in an approx. laptop-like bag... using both together much like I use laptops now. People already detach lids from MBs with broken screens and then use them with separate screens much like how some of us used to use Amiga 500 or Commodore 64. I'd love for Vpro + bottom half of the clamshell to accommodate the same: an any-size Mac screen available to me anywhere I travel.
But whether this or that (or something else), I foresee plenty of "killer app" potential for a device that can show our eyes anything in a realistic way and make our ears think we are "there" too.
Personally, I still think the "killer app" is even simpler than this one: an any-size screen on demand, yielding an any-size iPhone screen, an any-size iPad screen, an any-size MB screen, a big screen TV, a giant movie screen, etc anywhere one wants to do or consume something on a screen bigger than the physical one they have with them. Forget folds & creases or rolls. This might be a cut at delivering the MBpro 17" some still want, along with a 20", a 27", an iMac "bigger" screen, an ultra-wide, dual screens, quad screens, etc ANYWHERE one is without the added weight of carrying actual screens to make that happen... or the physical space demands to place all that if you were willing to carry it all around.
I'm a frequent flyer. Seat space is often such there isn't enough room to even open a MBpro and do much work while flying. I have this vision of slipping on Vpro and washing away the cramped quarters as if I'm sitting in front of my 40" ultra-wide screen and/or maybe TWO of them. While I'm actually still in that cramped space, my view is fooled into seeing things as if I have enormous space around me. If just this one thing works well, I'm sold... even if Vpro can do nothing else.
I'd love to soon reach a point where I can have this any-size screen device and the bottom half of a MB in an approx. laptop-like bag... using both together much like I use laptops now. People already detach lids from MBs with broken screens and then use them with separate screens much like how some of us used to use Amiga 500 or Commodore 64. I'd love for Vpro + bottom half of the clamshell to accommodate the same: an any-size Mac screen available to me anywhere I travel.
But whether this or that (or something else), I foresee plenty of "killer app" potential for a device that can show our eyes anything in a realistic way and make our ears think we are "there" too.
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I took some college classes during covid. Lecture classes worked perfectly fine online for me. Hands-on classes didn’t work that well, but there’s potential for VR to cater to that.
As for Apple’s Oasis, I think it’s better known here as a walled garden
What? You mean there is currency other than ApplePay?
The point is the person is wearing the headset.....so what is the alternative to making an image of them just wearing a headset?Enjoy going to a work meeting as a Memoji
Anyway what's even the point on this feature, even with a realistic looking Persona. Isn't the whole point to be able to see the other persons face rather than a digital recreation of it? You might as well just phone someone, or you know take off the headset and use a webcam.
Probably the most sensible way of testing for the uncanny valley problem, although I suspect that many people will not entirely be able to specifically describe why they dislike their model down to the body part.
Apple chose to have realistic avatars; this "serious" angle is understandable for now, and distances themselves from a certain other mixed-reality project.
The problem is that creating things that comfortably feel and look human, is way harder than many people realize, and you do not have to look far to see people responding negatively to what Apple has shown so far. (Although to be fair, the "Uncanny Valley" is just a hypothesis, and the truth might be more complicated.)
Apple chose to have realistic avatars; this "serious" angle is understandable for now, and distances themselves from a certain other mixed-reality project.
The problem is that creating things that comfortably feel and look human, is way harder than many people realize, and you do not have to look far to see people responding negatively to what Apple has shown so far. (Although to be fair, the "Uncanny Valley" is just a hypothesis, and the truth might be more complicated.)
This: Too many of us seem to lack such imagination.
As far as I can tell it will also work with other video chat apps if they run on the Vision Pro.
I think they’re pitching it for families and business, not for the VRChat demographic… who would just use VRChat instead of FaceTime anyways. Remember, they want main stream usage and not just the same niche hobbyists who already own a quest or an Index with Kinect body tracking.
You say this when Apple created the ugly ass Memojis and allow people to send messages using their Memojis.
man I just wanna try one of these out…🫡 to the devs pushing their imagination to create new experiences. the Persona is gonna be f—kin weird, honestly no way around it, but I’m looking forward to the device (and an era of my life where I can afford one, LMAO)
And to remind people again: Ready Player One is a dystopian nightmare, not an aspirational fantasy.
This seems unappealing. Everyone wearing a helmet so that they can meet in a ‘member-berries space where no one is actually there? Where no one is what they seem and no one can touch one another?
The experience of the real world is VASTLY more than what a couple of screens and speakers can convey.
Some serious pie in the sky thinking going on around here.
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It would be nice if:
1. we could use our Persona beyond FaceTime
2. we could edit our Persona (this is going to be very popular for Social Media creators)
3. we could create 'virtual fashions' for persona and sell them on Apple Market or something.
4. we could create virtual uhm 'movie' with our persona and other personas in a virtual environment.
1. we could use our Persona beyond FaceTime
2. we could edit our Persona (this is going to be very popular for Social Media creators)
3. we could create 'virtual fashions' for persona and sell them on Apple Market or something.
4. we could create virtual uhm 'movie' with our persona and other personas in a virtual environment.
If there are human beings involved in the call, there will be carbon emissions.
I don't know about you, but I don't plan on getting out of bed at all.
Would have been wayyyy better to just use Memojis. When they were first introduced I was 100% convinced it was Apple's way of slowly introducing the public to what your presence will be like in their equivalent of the metaverse (which is now Apple Vision world).
The uncanny weird CGI version of yourself is terrible and I won't be using it.