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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by MacRumors, Nov 29, 2012.
meanwhile in africa..
Cash them in before tax increases beginning next year in California and the US.
Good thing Obama was reelected! [/SARCASM]
All we need is to keep punishing those who took up America's legendary offer of "Freedom, and "Land of Opportunity."
"Come work are, excel at what you do, rise to the top and prosper!"
Now it's "How dare you make more money than everyone else! You need to contribute MORE!"
Makes me sick!
It makes me more sick that people reduce the economic situation we are in down to a Fox News talking point.
Annual Xmas shopping.
Get used to it... At least for 4 more years.
Yep, the smart people are getting out now.
Yes because there are poor areas in the world no one should be rich anywhere else...
Lots of wealth will be leaving the US soon before it's confiscated.
California sucks. If you make $44,000 per year you're taxed at the same rate as someone making $900,000 per year. Same bracket. 9.3%
It makes me more sick that people see a logical conservative viewpoint, and rather than offering an intelligent argument as to why they disagree, they say "Fox News would say that, so it's clearly not valid!"
I agree 100%
I just can't believe the bitterness and victimhood of some people. Because someone is doing well, they have to punish them.
But, I digress, that's a WHOLE different topic.
I feel great for Bob, I hope I can get there one day myself with hard work and dedication!
I would hardly call the post he was replying to a "logical conservative viewpoint". Leading with sarcasm (by his own admission) is rarely ever a great way to be taken seriously. Your failure to recognize that just comes across as being angry and defeated, not rational. That being said, I have trouble understanding who would expect to be taken seriously when they are using technology forums as a place to espouse their political beliefs? Surely there are more appropriate places to find an educated debate if that's what you are after. No?
@ political argument. You guys will never win over each other because it is a state of mind. Some people would jump off a cliff for money and some would live life. Just let the people die for money (too bad they kill off the environment as well ) and let the earth repair lol
Take a look in the political section of MR boards for de-railed liberals who live there 24/7.
Don't even get me started on Conservatives...
No one on this forum is in the top 2%. You're all living off a patently false promise of "wealth" and "riches" so long as you work hard. Garbage.
And that's how they keep you hooked.
"One day YOU will be this rich and you don't want Uncle Sam taxing you do ya?"
^ No... in fact... you won't be that rich.
And if you are... you pay back into the system that got you there.
Tax the Rich Tax em Good n Hard for freedom
Apple makes money in the US because..
1) We have good public education
2) We enforce the law and have a court system
3) We spend $1T a year to gard "our" oil supplies
4) We have transportation infra structure
andso on and so on.
It the above were not true then Apple would pick up and move to (say) Mexico in a minute. They stay here because they need the government services they can't get in other places. One could argue that the rich use FAR MORE government service than the poor.
What poor guy needs to find and hire 20,000 engineers. No one finds 20,000 engineers unless they liv in a place with good education. What poor guy eeds a Coast Gard to keep pirate away from his cargo ships?
So you must be a liberal then? If that's the case you shouldn't care about this topic or any other, right? Tax and spend, tax and spend.....etc. After all "the universe will unfold as it should." Right?
Lighten up and have another of whatever it is you're having.
There is no sound logic behind conservative viewpoints.
Actually, someone making $40,000 is in the top 1.1% of the world's population.
PS How long before this gets added to the "Politics" forum?
Asking people to contribute more is not the same as vilifying them. I'm sorry, it's just not.
I can't speak to all states, but it's the same here in S.C. Our top bracket is 7% and it starts at $12,000 per year income. So, anybody basically not in poverty pays the same income tax rate.
Too late for that!
In case no one noticed, the CA tax increase that was just voted into law is retroactive to the beginning of 2012
Except American history, basic economics, and basic human nature -- all the things that our well-intentioned Liberal friends either have forgotten or never knew in the first place.
Mansfield is doing what many wealthy people have been doing since the election -- moving assets around now to avoid higher tax liabilities next year. The odds are that taxes will be going up next year, at least for Mansfield, unless Congress and the President kick the can down the road for another year or two. From an asset management point of view, selling portions of his stock now makes perfect sense, rather than have it subject to higher taxes next year.
What baffles me is why Apple (or anyone else for that matter) remains in California. According to the WSJ, it's the worst run state in the country.
Thinkstock> Debt per capita: $4,008 (18th highest)
> Budget deficit: 20.7% (17th largest)
> Unemployment: 11.7% (2nd highest)
> Median household income: $57,287 (10th highest)
> Pct. below poverty line: 16.6% (18th highest)
California is 24/7 Wall St.s Worst Run State for the second year in a row. Due to high levels of debt, the states S&P credit rating is the worst of all states, while its Moodys credit rating is the second-worst. Much of Californias fiscal woes involve the economic downturn. Home prices plunged by 33.6% between 2006 and 2011, worse than all states except for three. The states foreclosure rate and unemployment rate were the third- and second-highest in the country, respectively. But efforts to get finances on track are moving forward. State voters passed a ballot initiative to raise sales taxes as well as income taxes for people who make at least $250,000 a year. While median income is the 10th-highest in the country, the state also has one of the highest tax burdens on income. According to the Tax Foundation, the state also has the third-worst business tax climate in the country.
The California Dream is dead. The liberals killed it.
Oh really? No one is in the top 2%? If you make more than 200K per year (which is a comfortable - not luxury living in manhattan) you are in the top 2%. Which is bull.
EVERYONE should pay the same tax rate - you shouldn't pay more if you worked hard and became successful. And I say this as a very liberal, not 2%, new yorker.
You raise rates on the successful, and they pull a Mitt Romney - and take all their money overseas. It's not beneficial to raise rates on them, because they'll just stop spending their money here.
Also increasing PAYROLL taxes obama? WTF??? You're making it MORE expensive to hire people? Are you RETARDED?
That's about the worst argument I've ever heard. Barely valid.
What rich guy has all of his living expenses paid by the government because he dropped out of high school to do drugs?
What rich guy is on Food Stamps because he can, even though his family makes 100K per year.
History and facts are fun!