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Apple Targeted By Record Labels for Allowing Copyright Infringing Apps in Russian App Store
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Sony complaining about copyright infringement is like politicians complaining about lying. Mostly, they are worried the competition might be better at it than them.
years ago, Sony music decided that if you wanted to listed to your Sony CDs on your computer, you needed(could only) to use an enclosed player to keep you from ripping your CDs.
Said player had a root kit that called home to mommy and reported on EVERYTHING you listened to in that play or any other. If you didn’t like this and uninstalled the infernal thing, it disabled your CD ROM drives.
Users complained, and Sony eventually relented. They told us, if you need to uninstall our root kit, send us an email and we will evaluate your case. If we approve, we will give you a tool to remove it.
More grumbling. Meanwhile, someone got into the root kit and found that Sony used software they didn’t have the rights to in order to make it (their copyright infringement software infringed on someone else’s copyright). This wasn’t an accident: the original author’s comments were still in the stolen code and it specifically stated it could not be used they way they were doing it.
THIS eventually lead to the French raiding Sony, where they found 40% of all the software on Sony servers was pirated. Nearly half of they stuff they were using was pirated.
search Sony Rootkit and fall down the rabbit hole for yourself.
years ago, Sony music decided that if you wanted to listed to your Sony CDs on your computer, you needed(could only) to use an enclosed player to keep you from ripping your CDs.
Said player had a root kit that called home to mommy and reported on EVERYTHING you listened to in that play or any other. If you didn’t like this and uninstalled the infernal thing, it disabled your CD ROM drives.
Users complained, and Sony eventually relented. They told us, if you need to uninstall our root kit, send us an email and we will evaluate your case. If we approve, we will give you a tool to remove it.
More grumbling. Meanwhile, someone got into the root kit and found that Sony used software they didn’t have the rights to in order to make it (their copyright infringement software infringed on someone else’s copyright). This wasn’t an accident: the original author’s comments were still in the stolen code and it specifically stated it could not be used they way they were doing it.
THIS eventually lead to the French raiding Sony, where they found 40% of all the software on Sony servers was pirated. Nearly half of they stuff they were using was pirated.
search Sony Rootkit and fall down the rabbit hole for yourself.
How is Apple supposed to know if these companies are truly breaching copyrights? Just because someone says so, doesn't mean it's true. Apple has no right to go into these companies bank accounts to see who paid who and what their agreements are with artists. That's what the courts are there for. If someone wants to accuse another company of copyright infringement, they need to prove it in court and get a court oder to get apple to remove the app. What if apple removes an App that was actually legitimate, who is responsible to pay the losses for getting the app wrongfully pulled.
Let’s “bash” and “criticize” apple before the relevant facts are known.
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To review hundreds of thousand of apps?
Do you expect them to check the YouTube app by checking every single video posted and demanding proof that YouTube has permission from the copyright holder (who may or may not be the uploader)?
Aside from being a near impossible task the result would be pulling YouTube from the App Store. It's full of pirated content.
The only way it works is to respond when someone complains about infringement... and Sony in particular can't be trusted to do that. They routinely send takedown notices for content that is perfectly legitimate. I'm sure Apple will get to their complaint eventually, but they're not going to do it without a proper investigation of their own.
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Again, that goes back to my point: Apple reviews software for malicious code and to ensure they follow design guidelines, etc. That’s a far cry from evaluating the business model or structure of these companies to make sure they’re legit. If we’re going to demand that level of scrutiny, every app will take 4 years to review and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per app submission to the store.
And in that case, where is the line? I think many listings on GoFundMe are fraudulent or scams, but I don’t think that should be Apple’s responsibility to screen for as part of their app review process...
Why are you mentioning something from 2005 of only one of the companies mentioned that doesnt do that kind of thing anymore, its 2020 and companies stopping something illegal is normal. Apple does it too. If this was an argument on why shouldn’t they make things more directly convenient you might have an argument but if these companies want to make money in more by dealing with other providers, thats a legit method too.
its 2020,apple music, spotify, tidal etc and a bunch of legit ways to get music exist and nowadays you can connect better with artists you like and support em through legit methods too. Much better than complaining about companies doing what companies do. Lets get back on topic on how apple will deal with this shall we, thats the real story.
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dang....... that's nasty
well, Apple's guidelines are there to be followed and reviewed.. How many apps have slipped though the cacks, only tob be taken down a few days later?
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Also, would this be in direct contrast regarding all the anti-trust cases, Epic case, etc? maybe not quite since this is probably fringing on piracy, but it’s about users being able to get content and access to things that could be deemed “outside” of the store.
What? Do you think ripping CDs to your computer for personal use only is not legit, or that Sony found religion (other than Church of Sony) since 2005?
Sony was one of the companies that suggested fast-fowarding past the advertisements on video tapes (or skipping them on DVDs) was theft from them (courts said they were wrong on both counts). They opposed the sale of used CD's as infringing on them (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-08-13-fi-23386-story.html) (Courts said they were wrong here too). They have a LONG history of this behavior. The rootkit I first brought up was just special.
Companies trying to prevent you from accessing content in legit ways other than the one legit way that they own the rights to is nothing new and the subject of this whole thing. Sony consistently lands on the wrong side of these things.
As far as it goes, I am quite pleased with Apple's licensing arrangement. Apple is far from perfect, but their licensing is better than most 'pay to use' models.
Whoa this article is from a while back, but w/e ill play just this once and prob gonna be too busy and move on for any replies afterwards. What in the world are you talking about right now. Some of these apps literally shared the actual audio file itself. ripping your own CDs (which I'm not against) and posting audio files which you don't have the rights to the world are two very different things. Once again it sounded like your whole complaint was that Sony and the other companies shouldn't do anything because some how its hypocritical for them to do so. There isn't a whole lot of right or wrong to this either, if you were a company of course you'd try to protect what brings you money. Consumer response to the methods is a different matter. Either way, the whole topic isn't about Sony or any other company nor is it about what DRM or anti piracy method they used in the past. Itunes way back in the past for a short time also had its own DRM problems as well. So lets keep this about apples response.
You can bet that if someone did this to Apple TV produced content, Apple would be the first in line to take it down through any methods possible.
In the end all companies exist to make money, they will protect their own methods and its better not to believe or favor one or the other as they all have their own skeletons in the closet (think ebook price fixing, the iphone 4 prototype overreaction, DRM in the TouchID button, anti right to repair, the list goes on). Just go for what they offer you at the time if you like it. Personally more of a stream person (apple music) atm, and if I can support artists via live or get CDs from artists as much as possible so I'm just watching on the sideline.
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