Apple Tax in full swing!

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by captainfamicom, Jun 3, 2019.

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Is the entry price of the 2019 Mac Pro worth it?

  1. Yeah!

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    20.5%
  2. No . . .

    19 vote(s)
    43.2%
  3. Well yes, but no.

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    36.4%
  1. captainfamicom, Jun 3, 2019
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    captainfamicom macrumors member

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    With the 06 Mac Pro the starting price was $2000, and they stayed close to that for about 2012 or so. The initial price for the trash can was $3000, which still netted you an okay Mac. But $5999?? Apple Tax has been confirmed for the new Mac Pro, even though it seems like it might be slightly worth it.

    Still using an '06 Mac Pro, still beats some modern Apple machines. (Namely the laptops.)
     
  2. keysofanxiety macrumors G3

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    Hate to be this guy, but can you name which modern system it beats? The Xeon 5150 doesn’t even have half the performance of a 3rd gen mobile i7 from the 2012 15” MBP...

    Plus performance per watt would be dreadful compared to modern machines.
     
  3. CWallace macrumors 603

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    More like Intel Tax - those Cascade Lake-SP Xeons are not going to be cheap (the 28 Core will be at least $3000 MSRP based on what they are asking for the current Skylake-SP model).
     
  4. captainfamicom thread starter macrumors member

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    Mine is upgraded with Octa-core and the R280x, so it beats the baseline MBPs and I'm guessing iMac (in some ways, not all of course). MacBook doesn't even hold a chance.
     
  5. velocityg4 macrumors 601

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    It's certainly only worth it for Pro work. Even then only if you absolutely must use a Mac and only if the added performance would net your company more income than the cost of the equipment.

    If you are a pro and can switch to PC. It would certainly be worth looking at. At that price it may be worth some transition pains to potentially save a lot of money.

    If you are an enthusiast with a lot of money to burn. Sure why not? I certainly wouldn't do it. To each their own.
     
  6. Zwhaler macrumors 604

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    The 2019 iMacs are finally beating my Mac Pro from 2011 (mid-2010 generation) 2.93GHz 12 core. at 64-bit multi core. I'm still impressed it stayed competitive for that long. This thing still performs exceptionally well when rendering video, and I plan on keeping it perhaps indefinitely. Of course I may get a new machine down the line, but realistically with my new RX 580 and 48GB RAM this thing will meet my needs for the next several years.
     
  7. juanm macrumors 68000

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    "I'd love to have ECC RAM in my Mac. I'd pay extra for that" said no one ever.

    Unlike previous Mac Pros, this one is priced for companies, not companies and individuals like the 2006-2012 ones.

    That said, for what it has, I guess it's fairly priced. I just wish it had a cheaper non-Xeon, non-ECC version.
     
  8. captainfamicom thread starter macrumors member

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    It's a good thing you got your money's worth.
     
  9. vel0city macrumors member

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    I just wish they'd offered an option for high single core performance, so many of us in the pro market don't need 28 cores but we need as fast as we can get single core speed. Photoshop, C4D, etc, it's all about the single core speed. No CUDA is another kick in the spuds for their pro market.
     
  10. Razzerman macrumors 6502

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    This here new mac pro looks great from the top and sides. Looks pretty good with it's coat off too. Not my cup of tea with the circular vent thingies. Probably just me.

    The specs look awesome, and I'm sure there'll be a lot of happy folks out there. Good for them, they've waited long enough. At $6k basic model (and I'm going to stick my left testicle on a very similar UK price tag) it's clearly aimed at the really pro Pro's.

    Looks like my old bangers are going to have to suck it up for a few more years to come, and in the meantime I'll be chucking some cash at a Ryzen based pc to keep up on the gaming front. Ah well, it's been a long ride with Apple and their variant os's - right back to system 6. I remember installing mac os 10.0, and thinking how great it was. Alas, them days are gone - or at least on their way out.

    Cheers,

    Razzerman
     
  11. captainfamicom thread starter macrumors member

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    Well, good thing going for Ryzen! Don't have to worry about many of the security vulnerabilities, and Ryzen Hackintoshing has become more prevalent over the last two years (still a pain to do however).
     
  12. Minxy macrumors regular

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    $1000 for the monitor stand! Yes it's all crazy expensive for a regular consumer, but It's not a consumer machine it's for people and companies who make a serious living from their Mac. Spread the expense over a minimum of 4 years worth of use and it's even more worth it.

    It has the power and specs that people were asking for from a Mac Pro, now it's here not everybody (including me) will be able to afford it.
     
  13. Zdigital2015 macrumors 65816

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    Sure...maybe a 12" MacBook or the MacBook Air...
    --- Post Merged, Jun 3, 2019 ---
    No, not the iMac, not in any way, shape or form. Also, if a 2006 Mac Pro is still getting it done for you, you are definitely not the target market for the 2019 Mac Pro.
     
  14. captainfamicom, Jun 3, 2019
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    In terms of CPU its beat, but in terms of GPU, it still holds a fair chance. I like making small films and music, and this machine has accelerated the process for me. Its not the newest version, but it gets the job done. It has been showing its age as of recent, and I need to plan to buy a 4,1 so I can have faster times with 4K footage, and for a more up-to-date version of Logic. The 1,1 would still be a good NAS for my needs, but for 4K footage in an older version, this isn't going to last me much longer (slow rendering and timeline, CPUs bottleneck me slightly).
     
  15. CWallace macrumors 603

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    Intel does not design Xeons for high single-core clock speeds. Heck, you can argue they aren't designing the Core i7 and i9 for that anymore, considering...

    If you mostly need high-sustained single-core speeds, the 65 watt i5s are probably your best choice since they run cool enough to support sustained turbo boosts at ~4.5GHz.
     
  16. Umbongo macrumors 601

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    Xeons and ECC RAM aren't why it is expensive, the premium on those compared to consumer stuff is negligible on price. They were in 2009 and 2013 too, they just allow it to be in the same market as other vendor products and offer a much higher ceiling in performance.
     

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