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Apple Teams in Leopard Server

mkrishnan said:
I never know how to feel about a feature like this. It's very innovative and I love the concept, but then it fills me with sadness that I will never get to use it unles it gets copied by Microsoft or... shudder ... Novell. God, Groupwise makes me pine for Exchange, it's such a piece of garbage. :(
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As I was reading, I kept expecting a Lotus Notes reference. And you come dropping the "G" bomb. And here I was thinking I was the only person around that was victimized by Groupwise...
 
MattInOz said:
Seems to me Leopard server is really shaping up to be what some of us Mac token "Admins" have been asking for (and my friendly mac sales man tells me i'm not the only one) ...

It's our own little .Mac server in a box.
It's shaping up to be a very nice upgrade, it seems to have everything built in that I was hoping to getting around to setting up some time, between the real fee paying work.
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Agreed! For the first time, the OS/X server "fee" actually may seem to be worth the price.

The same features in Linux will not be anywhere near as nice.
 
Sharepoint

the_ki said:
Shared resources? Team blogs and wikis? Document storage? Sounds to me like they're not only going after Exchange, they're going after SharePoint. And if anyone here has ever tried to set up and use SharePoint, you know what a pain in the a$$ it is.
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+1. That was the first thing I thought of. I used that POS once and would never recommend it to anyone, I asked why they didn't just use Wiki.
 
ooo.. taking a stab at MS portal server.... LONG way to go though to be a real competitor.

Sharepoint is not a pain in the ass to use.. it is somewhat difficult to configure correctly though.
 
the_ki said:
Shared resources? Team blogs and wikis? Document storage? Sounds to me like they're not only going after Exchange, they're going after SharePoint. And if anyone here has ever tried to set up and use SharePoint, you know what a pain in the a$$ it is.
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It sounds like a SharePoint thing to me. I think it will be great if Apple puts their version out. I don't think SharePoint is that hard to set up, but if Apple puts an Apple version of it out, just remember it will be very easy to set up.
 
h00ligan said:
ooo.. taking a stab at MS portal server.... LONG way to go though to be a real competitor.

Sharepoint is not a pain in the ass to use.. it is somewhat difficult to configure correctly though.
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I agree with you on the part of it not being a pain to use. I am fair that I will give Microsoft their due when they earn it. DO NOT be hard on Microsoft on their SharePoint. That piece of software is really cool for both big and small business. Even Microsoft gets things right every once in awhile.
 
Lukasha said:
But does this mean we'll FINALLY have an Exchange killer that will connect not only to Mail/Address Book/iCal/Whatever in Leopard but Thunderbird/Entourage/Outlook/etc.? If Apple or a 3rd party can replicate the functionality of Exchange at a much cheaper price point and make it work seamlessly across all those clients, Microsoft will be dead.

Jeff
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Well, if anyone can orchestrate a paradigm shift, it's Apple.
 
ickies said:
Can anyone make out what kind of phone that is in the podcasting screenshot? I don't recognize it. Is it something on the market or perhaps...something else?
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That is the Sony Ericsson K600i, their first small-size 3G (UMTS) phone, from as long back as one year ago. :)

I don't know if it ever gained any popularity, at least not in the US...?

Let's get back on topic: Apple Teams, along with iCal server, wiki server and (I hope) even more collaboration functionality packed into the OS X Server, and with out-of-the-box support for both Apple-branded clients and 3rd party clients (at least Outlook and the Mozilla Suite), makes me want to postpone our small business' server upgrade for, like, half a year...
 
ssteve said:
It sounds like a SharePoint thing to me. I think it will be great if Apple puts their version out. I don't think SharePoint is that hard to set up, but if Apple puts an Apple version of it out, just remember it will be very easy to set up.
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Never installed sharepoint but I really think apple should make Teams available for the home, a lot of people use something at home and then want it at work. Apple could create a cost effective Exchange/Sharepoint competitor and compete with Microsoft by going home to busines or by having a viable easy to use competitor for the small business, a lot of small business would pay for a feature that could let htem compete with their bigger competitors and apple needs to take adavantage of that.
 
Lollypop said:
Never installed sharepoint but I really think apple should make Teams available for the home, a lot of people use something at home and then want it at work.
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It would be interesting to see some of these features combine with the existing Ad Hoc capabilities in OS X to allow for these kinds of functions in the absence of a server. I totally agree....
 
mkrishnan said:
It would be interesting to see some of these features combine with the existing Ad Hoc capabilities in OS X to allow for these kinds of functions in the absence of a server. I totally agree....
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you mean like with Bonjour... that could be very cool! Maybe apple could place a limit in the amount of "clients" if bonjour is used, that way a small company or SOHO could use the cool features for free and once they scale and have the money they can invest in a decent server.
 
MS Project? uh, I mean Apple Teams!

~Shard~ said:
Interesting development... Microsoft ain't gonna be happy... ;) :cool: Which of course is a good thing.
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I do not know if this has been mentioned (didn't see it while skimming this thread) but maybe this could be a Mac version of MS PRoject - an incredibly powerful project team managament tool. I can only imagine how awesome an Apple version would be since so far they do everything better on the first try.

Irie:p
 
sounds great. more enterprise capability, terrific.

now if only apple could setup an exchange type service which would allow your emails to push to your phone/pda, update contact databade, and changes to your calendar and immediately sync/coordinate with your mac at office/home.
 
erikh said:
Let's get back on topic: Apple Teams, along with iCal server, wiki server and (I hope) even more collaboration functionality packed into the OS X Server, and with out-of-the-box support for both Apple-branded clients and 3rd party clients (at least Outlook and the Mozilla Suite), makes me want to postpone our small business' server upgrade for, like, half a year...
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Me too. I'm currently the only Mac use on a network based on Linux. I made the Windows boxess dual boot with Linux but the server is 100% Linux.

When Leopard is released and stabilises somewhat, I'm moving the entire system to Mac - including the server! Can't wait for that level of collaboration - much more that I'd hoped for. Good think it's a small company which I own so what I say goes :D

Now to look for the money...
 
I've used GroupWise for years. Hate Outlook.

I've used GroupWise for years. I've also had to use Outlook too. Outlook has some good things but I'll stick with GroupWise with the account that has that. As for Outlook/Exchange, I'll keep using 3rd party pop clients instead of Outlook. The less I use MS products the happier I've been. And I've been supporting their "stuff" since 1983.
 
I was wondering when someone was finally going to figure that out :)

the_ki said:
Shared resources? Team blogs and wikis? Document storage? Sounds to me like they're not only going after Exchange, they're going after SharePoint. And if anyone here has ever tried to set up and use SharePoint, you know what a pain in the a$$ it is.
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To be honest, I never found Sharepoint very useful. It seemed to be just a portal to a volume (folder in macspeak) of documents. You could just as easily surf your way to the folder. I'm sure you could do more with it, but like any technology, it's how you set it up and use it that makes it useful. No one really seemed to know what to do with it.

I remember thinking that unless the documents it pointed to were both organized and structured (yes, in an XML/SGML sort of way), it really wasn't helpful. People just dumped stuff in a central place but without an understanding of why they were putting it there and what value it provided. It became a dumping ground for a lot of junk.

Collaboration tools sound wonderful but the reality is that most are implemented badly. They work best when some structure is applied but that very structure can limit creativity. I'm not aware of any one group that uses these tools well.

Just my thoughts.
~iGuy
 
iGuy said:
To be honest, I never found Sharepoint very useful. It seemed to be just a portal to a volume (folder in macspeak) of documents. You could just as easily surf your way to the folder. I'm sure you could do more with it, but like any technology, it's how you set it up and use it that makes it useful. No one really seemed to know what to do with it.

I remember thinking that unless the documents it pointed to were both organized and structured (yes, in an XML/SGML sort of way), it really wasn't helpful. People just dumped stuff in a central place but without an understanding of why they were putting it there and what value it provided. It became a dumping ground for a lot of junk.

Collaboration tools sound wonderful but the reality is that most are implemented badly. They work best when some structure is applied but that very structure can limit creativity. I'm not aware of any one group that uses these tools well.

Just my thoughts.
~iGuy
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I agree. It just puts a web interface on a ugly folder view. I believe SharePoint's main purpose is to mess up Linux and other OSs trying to get NTFS read/write working on their OS. Basically moving the field again.
 
"And if anyone here has ever tried to set up and use SharePoint, you know what a pain in the a$$ it is."

I agree. I use SharePoint at work all the time. I was excited about the concept, but the implementation is horrible. Apple could outdo SharePoint without even trying.
 
So true. As a new starter at Microsoft i'm having to learn it intimately given the widespread use of it at the company. Its just horrible. Great idea, but the implementation and the UI is just awful. Seriously. None of the less technical people here can use it properly, and therein lies a failure at what it was set out to do.
 
MacNemesis said:
The project itself is not open source as may be implied by the article. Or at least it's not listed. Given what it does, I don't see Teams being open sourced. The CalDAV server, however is. Or am I missing something?

That being said, it's an amazing integration of existing technologies and probably the best use of AJAX outside of Google.
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http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/collaboration/wiki
 
dernhelm said:
As I was reading, I kept expecting a Lotus Notes reference. And you come dropping the "G" bomb. And here I was thinking I was the only person around that was victimized by Groupwise...
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Nope. That makes at least 3 of us... :( ;)
 
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