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It's gonna be a beautiful TV set with a yellow tinge....
Like my iPhone 4s , like my first and second iMac 27, and like my first Apple cinema display 27".... All of them exchanged because of that F¥c£ing Yellow Tinge!:(

Yellow is the new white.

It's gonna be an Apple trademark.

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It appears that many are purchasing an iPad for $800 when you can get a tablet fo less than $200.

*sigh*

That's because $200 tablets are utter crap. iPads are starting at $500 btw, and ASP is well below $800, so I don't know why you came up with that number.

The big difference is that $1000 TVs are not utter crap, they are pretty damn good.
 
Only very few would buy a TV because it has an Apple logo. I am quite sure that Apple can put something into a little box that would make me spend money for it. I do _not_ think that Apple could make me spend more money on a TV set than I would pay elsewhere.

That's my point really. AppleTV already can do all the things people are raving about in this thread. Eco-system, apps, games, Facetime, channel subscriptions, TV show subscriptions, it's all software that can run through a set top box.

It's the part we do not think that makes Apple make a TV set if really they are doing such a thing. The "I finally cracked it" from Steve. We can't think of it, but they have. If they didn't, this is going to be another iPod Hi-Fi or Ping or some crap. If they did, this is the next iPad.
 
My only gripe is that Pixar makes some of the best stereoscopic 3D movies, but none of them can be watched on an Apple product.

Am I the only one who enjoys 3D?

BTW, Skyrim would be awesome in 3D. :eek:
 
If this 1800$ price is true....

Im sorry but 1800 dollars is RIDICULOUS for a TV nowadays. Honestly I could go to best buy and buy a 37" samsung or LG LED HDTV for like 999$

Seriously, I understand the computers coming at a premium but a TV is a TV and for 1800$ people are GOING to look elsewhere.

Don't worry... $1800 is "code" for $599! :D
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Have an Apple Label on it?




This is more like Apple monitors which are pretty badly over priced to what you could get ease where for a lot cheaper. For the extra cost little is even gained. It used to be even worse than it is now as you gained nothing for the huge chunk of extra change for the Apple label.

What could Apple offer than can not be supplied by Apple TV or the other boxes we will still have hooked up to our TV minus the Apple TV.
Netflix can be streamed threw a 360, PS3, and I know multiple DVD players. TVs are quickly getting that little feature built in as well so nothing new there.
You might be able to control it with an iDevice. I will admit that would be kind of nice but not worth that much money.


If Apple were to make a TV, the difference would be how you get your content. I have no doubt that Apple has been working on a TV for a while, it just makes sense in their eco-system. It would have things like Siri, Facetime chatting, games, access to your music, photos and videos and iDevices as remotes for starters.

For it to see the light of day, Apple will have to negotiate massive content agreements that bypass cable operators. This is the hard part and they may never be able to do it. To not have content deals would be like launching the iPhone without any carrier agreements.
 
The problem is that TVs are already simple and easy to use. Nobody is going to pay $2999 for a 50" Apple TV.


Hmm... where are you pulling the $2999 price tag? The highest price I saw mentioned in the article is $1800. But, of course, don't let minor facts like that get in the way of making your argument.

If this 1800$ price is true....

Im sorry but 1800 dollars is RIDICULOUS for a TV nowadays. Honestly I could go to best buy and buy a 37" samsung or LG LED HDTV for like 999$

Seriously, I understand the computers coming at a premium but a TV is a TV and for 1800$ people are GOING to look elsewhere.

$1800 is quite competitive w/ high end TVs like the 55" Sony XBR and Samsung 8000 series. Unless something changes in the Cook era, Apple doesn't fish in the low end market.

Apple should have bought Netflix before they got big.
They could have turned them into a nice reason to buy an Apple TV.

Why? What does Netflix offer Apple that it doesn't already have with iTunes? Netflix VOD library is mediocre and there more iTunes users than Netflix subscribers, and likely many names are shared on those two lists. Apple could do what Netflix does tomorrow if it wants. It has the data center, the user base, and relationships with the media producers.
 
So a TV like a big thin light ipad that can either sit on a stand or hang like a painting, utilize its own multiple wifi networks simultaneously to enable:

ATV, Airplay, Siri, Gamecenter, FaceTime, Screensharing, iTunes/Cloud, perhaps some nice wireless surround panels...

That'd be a fine product as it is, and that's all just done with their existing technologies. If there was a breakthrough worth SJ getting excited about on his deathbed, then I look forward to seeing what it is.
 
TVs are already easy. You switch them on, lay back and watch. That's what most people do and want to do.

I'll agree that's what most people want to do, but not how it works in my house or any of my friend's or neighbor's houses.

Sure, the geeks in each houselhold totally understand the cable/Tivo/ATV1/ATV2/Roku/Stereo set up, and the advantage each box provides, but not our spouses.

"honey, I can't get the TV to show anything..." (heard that refrain again just yesterday)

Oh yeah, there's a market for it. And this is one Apple toy I won't have to hard sell.

"Siri, play the latest episode of Entourage".

This will be huge.
 
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That's my point really. AppleTV already can do all the things people are raving about in this thread. Eco-system, apps, games, Facetime, channel subscriptions, TV show subscriptions, it's all software that can run through a set top box.

It's the part we do not think that makes Apple make a TV set if really they are doing such a thing. The "I finally cracked it" from Steve. We can't think of it, but they have. If they didn't, this is going to be another iPod Hi-Fi or Ping or some crap. If they did, this is the next iPad.

I agreed. For me the biggest obstacle for Apple to build is a TV is how they will sell to the customer in upgrading it every 2 years at the most?
While it's easy to do in a $99 box it is damn hard in a $2k plus set.

The only thing I can see is Apple developing such a hardware feature that we cannot live without.
I think the revolution will happen on the software/content availability/user experience. Not necessarily on the TV set.
 
Yup, Siri changes the game … but I've heard way more realistic text-to-speech voices before Siri. I hope she gets an upgrade soon.
 
A Lot are Missing the Point

I'm seeing a lot of posts stating, "TV's are simple and cheap right now. Why would anyone pay $1800 for a TV made by Apple?"

Rewind to 2006 when people asked, "Cell phones are simple and cheap right now. Why would anyone pay $600 for a cell phone with an Apple logo on it?"

People are trying to imagine what Apple will bring out in a year based on the TVs of today. Think different. Here are my thoughts:

* Remove all the clutter--no more DVDs, no move video tapes, no more cable box, no more DVR, no more components, no need for external speakers--it's all contained in one super cool, Jony Ive-designed, slick TV. You plug in the power cable...and that's it!

* A few subscription options to choose from: a low $20 monthly fee where you pay on a show-by-show basis for some stuff, a medium fee with more shows/movies included, and a high fee subscription where you can watch as many movies and TV shows without commercials as you want.

* SIRI!
"Siri, I want to watch a comedy from the '70s"
"OK, Here are some choices...[choices displayed on TV]"
"Lavern & Shirley, please."

* Open it up to developers: Imagine playing Angry Birds on your Apple TV.

* You can make phone calls/video conferences with it. Sit in your living room and show of the new baby to some beaming grandparents.

* A simplified interface that we can't even imagine right now. Others will copy it, Apple will sue, and we will forget how we used to watch TV and complain that Apple shouldn't sue for something that's so obvious (but it's not obvious...yet).

And I'm sure there's more I haven't thought of.
 
I agreed. For me the biggest obstacle for Apple to build is a TV is how they will sell to the customer in upgrading it every 2 years at the most?
While it's easy to do in a $99 box it is damn hard in a $2k plus set.

The only thing I can see is Apple developing such a hardware feature that we cannot live without.
I think the revolution will happen on the software/content availability/user experience. Not necessarily on the TV set.

do people upgrade mac's every 2 years?

the point of the apple tv to get people to buy iDevices
 
If I may quote President Robert Fowler from The Sum of All Fears..."This is too much god---- bulls--- and not enough fact!" I'll wait until Apple, or IF Apple, releases a TV before I make any judgment on it. If they find a way to make the content cheaper and easier then that will be great. But I hope they realize that TV prices are on the way down and people probably won't be willing to pay a significant amount more for a TV just because it's from Apple. Unless of course they have some breakthrough in content pricing. For example, $2.99 for a 30 minute HD program is a little steep.
 
What user experience?
I turn my TV on and watch it.

For most of us in here using an Internet connected TV (either built-in or external box) is easy. But most people are afraid of technology, and using and Internet connected TV, from set up to use can be intimidating and confusing. I bought my parents an original AppleTV years ago so they could view pictures on their TV and also make it easier for them to listen to their music collection.

I set up everything for them, including putting the Apple TV commands on their remote. Everytime I visit them (a few times a year) they still ask me how to use it. It's a little non-intutive, for example, to keep pressing menu to go back a screen.

Now if Apple could incorporate Siri into a TV, for example, so people could say, I'd like to watch XYZ movie on iTunes, or, is XYZ show on free TV, etc. it has the potential of breaking the comprehension barrier for non-techs because it eliminates menu clutter and drill down.
 
Its gotta be around $999 with the balance made up through subscriptions. People all thought the iPad would come in around $999 and the one more thing was $499. Apple has it in them. There are too many tv's out there for significantly lower than $1000 for apple to "revolutionize" anything with a $2K flatscreen. They should be able to keep the price down by selling basically a display with an A6 chip and wifi/bluetooth connection. If the current ATV is only $99 and you assume that Apple makes a 30% margin if they could find a display from Samsung or LG for around $400 cost they would be in business.
 
I agree - there is a huge market for a company like Apple (of course there are no companies "like" Apple, except for Apple) to come in and shake up the television market - just like they did with the music industry, the cell phone, tablets, computers...

I would even think that they could USE their power to work with cable operators, not fight them, and get them to subsidize some of the cost of the Apple Televisions just like the phone companies do with iPhones. I'm already bundling cable and internet - which an Apple tele would most certainly be doing as well.

Apple will have to differentiate tv's from their high-priced monitors, for this to work and not have a tv set that costs $5000. I know my wife would pay upwards of $2000 for an Apple tv, if the design aesthetic followed the other Apple products we've populated our condo with.
 
do people upgrade mac's every 2 years?

the point of the apple tv to get people to buy iDevices

I do every 2 to 3 years.
My TV set is 3 years old and if it doesn't break I am planning to keep another 5 at least. My previous one was 12. People hold to their sets way longer than computers.
 
I think it would be a great business model if you could just buy individual channels. I mean, there's only a handful of channels I like, why must the consumer be forced to buy all of the garbage channels.

It is because all the cable companies/dish providers are in bed with the government. It is a mess.
 
Why do people continually think something is a "great business model" because it results in things being cheaper for the consumer? Explain to me why the content providers should change their model to something that results in you sending them less money every month? Show me the model where you send more money to your cable company or to the network providers and then you might have a "great business model". Show me how they can raise the prices they charge to run adds, then you've got a "great business model." I'm not saying this can't be done, but suggesting that you should be able to buy just five channels of content and cut your monthly cable bill in half just doesn't make sense for the company receiving those checks.

I see you've been voted down, and I can see why, but you have a nugget of truth in there. A great business model is NOT one which minimizes money leaving the customer's wallet bound for the company's bank account.

BUT, you are missing two things:

1. There is a larger market than "your cable company" (which is a monopoly and can charge pretty much whatever it pleases). People with a fixed budget have some amount allocated to "discretionary" entertainment expenses. The cable bill, on the medium timescale, is one of those discretionary expenses, but so are going out to movies, reading books, playing video games, etc. The cable company and indeed TV industry writ large DO have competition for your dollars, and providing visibly substandard value is a major deterrent to consumers spending more on your particular type of entertainment.

2. It isn't "the content providers" who are raking in the big dough here. The major money makers in TV are the cable companies, and then the networks (which are sometimes content providers, but often just aggregators). You can see the relative profitabilities just by looking at the Comcast-NBC merger (where the "NBC" side of the fence includes a lot more than just the network and content funding arms). The content providers would be greatly enriched by a content distribution model which reduces the relative takes of the distribution (cable company) and aggregation (network) layers which currently hold near-monopolistic powers (how many networks can you shop your show around to? if the network which bought your show decides to cancel it on the fourth episode, what can you do about it?).

In this case, "great for consumers" and "great for content producers" both align in favor of a la carte series distribution. That having been said, the layers that reduces (the cable company becomes a dumb pipe instead of a choice curator; the network execs become industry-specific banks and may offer a voluntary curation function instead of having absolute power) are the ones with the big bucks and the power, and any shift of content producers over to a new model will be dealt with in a highly punitive manner by the contract those entrenched interests hold for distributing content to the "other 90%" of the not-tech-savvy populace.
 
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